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  • L loctrice

    I saw a post in the lounge with a "groovy" reference to 420. I didn't think intelligent people did that? ( calling computer ppl intelligent is another argument) I know many people who do, and some even do in my presence. I don't, and I just took for granted that my [computer science] peers didn't either. Views?

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    wizardzz
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    You'd be surprised, quite surprised. Unfortunately, in the financial industry, I have come across much less recreational drug usage and more, let's say, addiction driven usage. At the Christmas party last year, a broker was fiendishly seeking heroin or oxy, being quite blunt about it, too. My comedian friends prefer pot, financial people coke / opiate derivatives. Maybe it's affordability. I'm in the union of this Venn diagram, yet use neither. My old boss, an engineer, was turned down by the Feds for past drug usage. An old BA talked about how he would get high and watch shark videos (he was in his 40's, married with children). I've heard engineers say that pot helped them with math work in college. Having shaggy hair, I eventually get asked for pot at most jobs.

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      Drug taking. Smoking pot.

      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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      Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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      Thanks! I just read the follow up messages in the lounge and Nish had posted an (in)appropriate link pointing to a Wiki page. :augh: Cheers!

      "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

      Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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      • M Manfred Rudolf Bihy

        I still have to figure out what that post in the lounge was supposed all about. If you have any clue feel free to enlighten me. :^) Cheers!

        "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

        Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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        fjdiewornncalwe
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        What Does '420' Mean, and Why?[^] [Edit]I didn't see your last post when I posted this... Sorry.

        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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          loctrice wrote:

          I didn't think intelligent people did that?

          Really? Very naive. I know plenty of intelligent people without an ounce of common sense, they can't even change a light bulb. Intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive: I still know some pretty clever developers that smoke.

          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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          mark merrens wrote:

          Intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive: I still know some pretty clever developers that smoke.

          I know plenty of developers that drink, too. Are people that drink lacking common sense? From an addiction aspect, it's odd to treat smoking pot as any different than drinking just because one is slightly illegal.

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          • L loctrice

            I saw a post in the lounge with a "groovy" reference to 420. I didn't think intelligent people did that? ( calling computer ppl intelligent is another argument) I know many people who do, and some even do in my presence. I don't, and I just took for granted that my [computer science] peers didn't either. Views?

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            I can say that I have done just about everything drug-wise. The only real exceptions are H and Crystal. Dope at college, LSD at Uni, Speed in the Army, Coke and E when I got wealthy enough to afford the good shit. Nowadays, I do none but Beer and Fags.

            --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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              What Does '420' Mean, and Why?[^] [Edit]I didn't see your last post when I posted this... Sorry.

              I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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              Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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              Thanks for the information, Markus! :thumbsup:

              "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

              Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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                mark merrens wrote:

                Intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive: I still know some pretty clever developers that smoke.

                I know plenty of developers that drink, too. Are people that drink lacking common sense? From an addiction aspect, it's odd to treat smoking pot as any different than drinking just because one is slightly illegal.

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                R Giskard Reventlov
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                No, I made 2 statements, the first I pointed out that intelligence does not necessarily denote common sense and the other saying that intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive. It may well be that an intelligent person that drinks also has no common sense, but it doesn't always follow. In any case, drinking alcohol is no different from taking any other drug. I'm not bothered about the legal ethics as I think all drugs should be legally available. My point was that just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean they're immune to addiction or stupid behavior and I count myself in that lot as we all, at some time or other, do stupid things.

                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  No, I made 2 statements, the first I pointed out that intelligence does not necessarily denote common sense and the other saying that intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive. It may well be that an intelligent person that drinks also has no common sense, but it doesn't always follow. In any case, drinking alcohol is no different from taking any other drug. I'm not bothered about the legal ethics as I think all drugs should be legally available. My point was that just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean they're immune to addiction or stupid behavior and I count myself in that lot as we all, at some time or other, do stupid things.

                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  Ok, I understand you weren't exactly relating your 2 comments now.

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                    I can say that I have done just about everything drug-wise. The only real exceptions are H and Crystal. Dope at college, LSD at Uni, Speed in the Army, Coke and E when I got wealthy enough to afford the good shit. Nowadays, I do none but Beer and Fags.

                    --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                    loctrice
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                    I'm not saying I didn't do it when I was younger. I've done my share of bland to hardcore stuff, and lots of it. I just grew out of it. I think this might have more to do with different classes and types of people I'm around. I still have friends that I knew when we were all poor (and they still are). I also have middle class friends who are educated about health and what not. I am also around professional fighters and athletes because of my training classes... and they would all look at you like you had something contagious if you smoked pot or did hard core drugs. Most of them do drink casually, but they look cautiously at drinking. They don't say anything outright to the drinkers, but you can tell. I think a mix of all that may have led to my confusion. The middle class people either don't do it (or most likely are better at hiding it) , the athletes don't do those types of drugs, and the people I knew from before pretty much all drink and smoke [mostly more than one substance]. Somehow I just decided in my head that developers/ computer scientists don't smoke.....

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                    • L loctrice

                      I'm not saying I didn't do it when I was younger. I've done my share of bland to hardcore stuff, and lots of it. I just grew out of it. I think this might have more to do with different classes and types of people I'm around. I still have friends that I knew when we were all poor (and they still are). I also have middle class friends who are educated about health and what not. I am also around professional fighters and athletes because of my training classes... and they would all look at you like you had something contagious if you smoked pot or did hard core drugs. Most of them do drink casually, but they look cautiously at drinking. They don't say anything outright to the drinkers, but you can tell. I think a mix of all that may have led to my confusion. The middle class people either don't do it (or most likely are better at hiding it) , the athletes don't do those types of drugs, and the people I knew from before pretty much all drink and smoke [mostly more than one substance]. Somehow I just decided in my head that developers/ computer scientists don't smoke.....

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                      loctrice wrote:

                      Somehow I just decided in my head that developers/ computer scientists don't smoke.....

                      I have learned to never assume what people do or don't do for "extra circular" activities. Pot is an easy example that people miss because there is the classic "stoner" and most expect all smokers to be like that. but that is not always the case. The example that really makes it obvious (that people are good at keeping 'seperate lives') is sex acts. The reason being is most people keep their interests in that department well hidden and away from co-workers and even close friends. So why would other activities be any different? People let each other into awareness of said activities if they share an interest in them. The interesting thing is many of these types of activities "detectable" by people of the same circle.

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      • L loctrice

                        I saw a post in the lounge with a "groovy" reference to 420. I didn't think intelligent people did that? ( calling computer ppl intelligent is another argument) I know many people who do, and some even do in my presence. I don't, and I just took for granted that my [computer science] peers didn't either. Views?

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                        loctrice wrote:

                        I don't, and I just took for granted that my [computer science] peers didn't either. Views?

                        Perhaps you need to get out more?

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          loctrice wrote:

                          I didn't think intelligent people did that?

                          Really? Very naive. I know plenty of intelligent people without an ounce of common sense, they can't even change a light bulb. Intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive: I still know some pretty clever developers that smoke.

                          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                          mark merrens wrote:

                          Intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive: I still know some pretty clever developers that smoke

                          Sorry but what exactly are you talking about?

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                            No, I made 2 statements, the first I pointed out that intelligence does not necessarily denote common sense and the other saying that intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive. It may well be that an intelligent person that drinks also has no common sense, but it doesn't always follow. In any case, drinking alcohol is no different from taking any other drug. I'm not bothered about the legal ethics as I think all drugs should be legally available. My point was that just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean they're immune to addiction or stupid behavior and I count myself in that lot as we all, at some time or other, do stupid things.

                            "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                            mark merrens wrote:

                            In any case, drinking alcohol is no different from taking any other drug.

                            No idea what that means. A beer a day has no relation at all to mainlining heroin. And neither is similar to taking morphine for terminal cancer.

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                              mark merrens wrote:

                              Intelligence and addiction are not mutually exclusive: I still know some pretty clever developers that smoke

                              Sorry but what exactly are you talking about?

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                              loctrice
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                              Smart people can be addicts, and he knows some clever coders that "puff the chiba". .... try reading slower, it might help.....

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                                mark merrens wrote:

                                In any case, drinking alcohol is no different from taking any other drug.

                                No idea what that means. A beer a day has no relation at all to mainlining heroin. And neither is similar to taking morphine for terminal cancer.

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                                jschell wrote:

                                No idea what that means.

                                Then you're reply should have been shorter?

                                jschell wrote:

                                mark merrens wrote:

                                In any case, drinking alcohol

                                jschell wrote:

                                A beer a day has no relation at all to mainlining heroin.

                                Nit pick much? Obviously he's not talking about a beer a day. Of coarse, we can expect that since you started with "No idea what that means".

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                                  I'm not saying I didn't do it when I was younger. I've done my share of bland to hardcore stuff, and lots of it. I just grew out of it. I think this might have more to do with different classes and types of people I'm around. I still have friends that I knew when we were all poor (and they still are). I also have middle class friends who are educated about health and what not. I am also around professional fighters and athletes because of my training classes... and they would all look at you like you had something contagious if you smoked pot or did hard core drugs. Most of them do drink casually, but they look cautiously at drinking. They don't say anything outright to the drinkers, but you can tell. I think a mix of all that may have led to my confusion. The middle class people either don't do it (or most likely are better at hiding it) , the athletes don't do those types of drugs, and the people I knew from before pretty much all drink and smoke [mostly more than one substance]. Somehow I just decided in my head that developers/ computer scientists don't smoke.....

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                                  loctrice wrote:

                                  Somehow I just decided in my head that developers/ computer scientists don't smoke.....

                                  Culture. There might be some professions/social gatherings that tend to average more or less but within each category the average is dictated by the culture. I suspect but have no real knowledge that any group with younger people and more oriented towards 'entertaining' (using that very loosely) would tend to have a higher average. Naturally there will be statistical deviations from the average, regardless of where it is established.

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                                  • L loctrice

                                    Smart people can be addicts, and he knows some clever coders that "puff the chiba". .... try reading slower, it might help.....

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                                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                                    Thanks for that. Some people are a bit slow on the uptake. :)

                                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                      loctrice wrote:

                                      I don't, and I just took for granted that my [computer science] peers didn't either. Views?

                                      Perhaps you need to get out more?

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                                      loctrice
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                                      You're probably right. I don't usually get out unless it's to go to the gym or something. I don't like getting out really.

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                                      • L loctrice

                                        Smart people can be addicts, and he knows some clever coders that "puff the chiba". .... try reading slower, it might help.....

                                        If it moves, compile it

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                                        loctrice wrote:

                                        Smart people can be addicts, and he knows some clever coders that "puff the chiba".

                                        However the statement seemed to suggest that addiction was the only outcome or at least a significantly expected outcome. And that of course is wrong.

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                                        • L loctrice

                                          jschell wrote:

                                          No idea what that means.

                                          Then you're reply should have been shorter?

                                          jschell wrote:

                                          mark merrens wrote:

                                          In any case, drinking alcohol

                                          jschell wrote:

                                          A beer a day has no relation at all to mainlining heroin.

                                          Nit pick much? Obviously he's not talking about a beer a day. Of coarse, we can expect that since you started with "No idea what that means".

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                                          loctrice wrote:

                                          Obviously he's not talking about a beer a day.

                                          Certainly talking about alcohol however since he specifically said that. Other than that there is no context except it seems one of complete abstinence. So the phrase I quoted is still in doubt since, again there are a great deal of difference between casual usage, individual variances, how they are used and what the drugs are. Similar to my mind in claiming that a player of an electronic violin is no different than an embedded C programmer because both use an electronic device.

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