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  • M Mark_Wallace

    Discussing it keeps you too busy to look at Bloomberg's real agenda.

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    Mark Wallace wrote:

    Bloomberg's real agenda.

    Which is???

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    • R Rage

      But then also cost less in health care. Pure Darwinism.

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      Rage wrote:

      But then also cost less in health care. Pure Darwinism.

      Rather lousy math. There's a whole plethora of related diseases that bring the industry millions in revenue :)

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        Rage wrote:

        But then also cost less in health care. Pure Darwinism.

        Rather lousy math. There's a whole plethora of related diseases that bring the industry millions in revenue :)

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        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

        Rather lousy math

        Sorry, I am not the accountant ( On latest news he was sitting on a bridge near Luton waiting for the Queen's boat).

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        • J Johnny J

          That shouldn't really be necessary in my opinion. It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap. By forcing consumers to buy healthy products you could actually force the manufactuers to produce healthy products as well. You could of course also try to persuade the manufacturers directly, but they're more concerned about money than they are concerned about the people... :sigh:

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          Johnny J. wrote:

          It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap.

          Aside from water, unsweetened tea, and coconut water (which are already on the market), are there any low calorie drinks? Are manufacturers holding magical delicious low calorie drinks from the masses?

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            New York city is banning sugary drinks[^] but is turning down the heat on smoking pot.[^] Given that pot smokers often suffer from "the munchies" these policies seem to be at odds with each other. My guess is when NYC gets even fatter they'll blame Doritos.

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            And as we all know, the size is completely relevant when you can get unlimited refills.

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              Johnny J. wrote:

              It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap.

              Aside from water, unsweetened tea, and coconut water (which are already on the market), are there any low calorie drinks? Are manufacturers holding magical delicious low calorie drinks from the masses?

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              No, and that was my entire point...

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              • J Johnny J

                No, and that was my entire point...

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                I don't see that: "It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with." You can buy 2/3 of what I mentioned everywhere.

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                  I don't see that: "It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with." You can buy 2/3 of what I mentioned everywhere.

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                  I meant "all (or most at least) of the products available" not just a small percentage. I'm sorry if I confused you...

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                  • I Ian Shlasko

                    Yes, this is Mayor Bloomberg at his finest... In other words, he's in his last term and no longer cares if everyone hates him... How I regret voting for him last election... Yes, I was fooled, like so many others. So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary. If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more. If he wants to start another advertising campaign to ask people to cut down, that's just fine... But forcing places to stop serving large drinks? Ya know, I may not be a card-carrying Libertarian, but things like this definitely push me in that direction. And I don't know where you're getting the rest of your info, but the drug war is alive and well... And as foolish as ever (I've never touched the stuff, but I'm all for weed legalization)... I think Connecticut just did the medical legalization, but not NYC.

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                    Ian Shlasko wrote:

                    NYC Manhattan probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more.

                    The other 4 Boroughs look more like the rest of America.

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                      Similar to an obese person ordering large order of fries and a diet drink at McD's.

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                      What about when skinny people do it?

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                      • J Johnny J

                        I meant "all (or most at least) of the products available" not just a small percentage. I'm sorry if I confused you...

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                        If people are too dumb to realize you can't get fat drinking water, so be it.

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                          New York city is banning sugary drinks[^] but is turning down the heat on smoking pot.[^] Given that pot smokers often suffer from "the munchies" these policies seem to be at odds with each other. My guess is when NYC gets even fatter they'll blame Doritos.

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                          The only inconsistency that is likely to arise is when the herb-of-choice is mixed with large amounts of flour, sugar, cocoa, more cocoa, and (veg!) shortening, and then baked into brownies. Aside from that, the plants make a nice (albeit temporary) screening to block the view of my neighbors - time to get some plant vitamins . . .

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                            If people are too dumb to realize you can't get fat drinking water, so be it.

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                            wizardzz wrote:

                            you can't get fat drinking water

                            You can actually... If you put enough whisky in it... ;)

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                              Ian Shlasko wrote:

                              NYC Manhattan probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more.

                              The other 4 Boroughs look more like the rest of America.

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                              Where I live everyone is pretty thin and agile. If you cannot outrun a Velociraptor you don't last long. Damn dinos.

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                                That shouldn't really be necessary in my opinion. It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap. By forcing consumers to buy healthy products you could actually force the manufactuers to produce healthy products as well. You could of course also try to persuade the manufacturers directly, but they're more concerned about money than they are concerned about the people... :sigh:

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                                Johnny J. wrote:

                                By forcing consumers to buy healthy products you could actually force the manufactuers to produce healthy products as well.

                                I heard this statistic on NPR, that if Americans reduced their junk food intake by 100 calories, it would cost the industry $60 billion a year. Wow. Marc

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                                  Where I live everyone is pretty thin and agile. If you cannot outrun a Velociraptor you don't last long. Damn dinos.

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                                    Johnny J. wrote:

                                    It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap.

                                    Aside from water, unsweetened tea, and coconut water (which are already on the market), are there any low calorie drinks? Are manufacturers holding magical delicious low calorie drinks from the masses?

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                                    loctrice
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                                    It's changing. I buy powerade zero and propel zero a bit. When I was driving a semi is when I went back to drinking soda. There were no other readily available options. Now you can get water and juice in resturaunts as well as gas stations.

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                                      If people are too dumb to realize you can't get fat drinking water, so be it.

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                                      loctrice
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                                      It's cheaper to buy soda than bottled water generally. Once you get the habbit, then soda is your choice. This means when you go out to eat, you'll end up with soda.

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                                        As mentioned, I don't actually think it's doable, and in an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary either. :sigh:

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                                        loctrice
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                                        well, we would create more gang/mob power like prohibition. Overall though, it would actually still help. I think it'd be comical to have a mob centered around junk food and sugary drinks :D

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                                          Why would they even care? Do obese people pay less local taxes?

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                                          Obese people cost more money on a state and federal level. They also die sooner after costing that amount of money. So in effect, yes, they pay less taxes.

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