New York City's Inconsistent Obesity Policy
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I don't see that: "It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with." You can buy 2/3 of what I mentioned everywhere.
I meant "all (or most at least) of the products available" not just a small percentage. I'm sorry if I confused you...
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Yes, this is Mayor Bloomberg at his finest... In other words, he's in his last term and no longer cares if everyone hates him... How I regret voting for him last election... Yes, I was fooled, like so many others. So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary. If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more. If he wants to start another advertising campaign to ask people to cut down, that's just fine... But forcing places to stop serving large drinks? Ya know, I may not be a card-carrying Libertarian, but things like this definitely push me in that direction. And I don't know where you're getting the rest of your info, but the drug war is alive and well... And as foolish as ever (I've never touched the stuff, but I'm all for weed legalization)... I think Connecticut just did the medical legalization, but not NYC.
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Similar to an obese person ordering large order of fries and a diet drink at McD's.
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I meant "all (or most at least) of the products available" not just a small percentage. I'm sorry if I confused you...
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932 -
New York city is banning sugary drinks[^] but is turning down the heat on smoking pot.[^] Given that pot smokers often suffer from "the munchies" these policies seem to be at odds with each other. My guess is when NYC gets even fatter they'll blame Doritos.
The only inconsistency that is likely to arise is when the herb-of-choice is mixed with large amounts of flour, sugar, cocoa, more cocoa, and (veg!) shortening, and then baked into brownies. Aside from that, the plants make a nice (albeit temporary) screening to block the view of my neighbors - time to get some plant vitamins . . .
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wizardzz wrote:
you can't get fat drinking water
You can actually... If you put enough whisky in it... ;)
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
NYC Manhattan probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more.
The other 4 Boroughs look more like the rest of America.
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That shouldn't really be necessary in my opinion. It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap. By forcing consumers to buy healthy products you could actually force the manufactuers to produce healthy products as well. You could of course also try to persuade the manufacturers directly, but they're more concerned about money than they are concerned about the people... :sigh:
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932Johnny J. wrote:
By forcing consumers to buy healthy products you could actually force the manufactuers to produce healthy products as well.
I heard this statistic on NPR, that if Americans reduced their junk food intake by 100 calories, it would cost the industry $60 billion a year. Wow. Marc
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Where I live everyone is pretty thin and agile. If you cannot outrun a Velociraptor you don't last long. Damn dinos.
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Johnny J. wrote:
It would be better if the stuff you could buy WAS a healthy product to start with. But manufacturers manufacture what the consumers want (or what they THINK the consumer wants) - and if people are not clever enough to deselect the stuff that's not healthy for them, the market is flooded by crap.
Aside from water, unsweetened tea, and coconut water (which are already on the market), are there any low calorie drinks? Are manufacturers holding magical delicious low calorie drinks from the masses?
It's changing. I buy powerade zero and propel zero a bit. When I was driving a semi is when I went back to drinking soda. There were no other readily available options. Now you can get water and juice in resturaunts as well as gas stations.
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As mentioned, I don't actually think it's doable, and in an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary either. :sigh:
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932 -
Yes, this is Mayor Bloomberg at his finest... In other words, he's in his last term and no longer cares if everyone hates him... How I regret voting for him last election... Yes, I was fooled, like so many others. So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary. If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more. If he wants to start another advertising campaign to ask people to cut down, that's just fine... But forcing places to stop serving large drinks? Ya know, I may not be a card-carrying Libertarian, but things like this definitely push me in that direction. And I don't know where you're getting the rest of your info, but the drug war is alive and well... And as foolish as ever (I've never touched the stuff, but I'm all for weed legalization)... I think Connecticut just did the medical legalization, but not NYC.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country
Not really[^] I think anything in that direction is good, even if people are resisting it. It's all fine and dandy when you KNOW what choices to make, and can afford them. At least this way people would have to buy more than one, and it would be obvious that you are getting more than what you are supposed to have. It'd be about like having two lunches at school. Sure you can buy the extra, but its pretty obvious.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary.
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
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It just takes a little longer for the stroke because they don't have the weight to content with too. :)
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Johnny J. wrote:
is to ban every drink
It would be nice if consumers themselves made healthy choices instead of gov't having to step in to force those choices on people lacking the intelligence or will or desire to moderate their own behaviors. Marc
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Not during the time they heart disease and diabetes, before they die. That can get very expensive.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country
Not really[^] I think anything in that direction is good, even if people are resisting it. It's all fine and dandy when you KNOW what choices to make, and can afford them. At least this way people would have to buy more than one, and it would be obvious that you are getting more than what you are supposed to have. It'd be about like having two lunches at school. Sure you can buy the extra, but its pretty obvious.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary.
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
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loctrice wrote:
Not really[^]
- Your link shows that New York STATE is already in the bottom half of the obesity chart (Bottom = Less obese), which supports what I said. 2) We're talking about New York CITY, not STATE. BIG difference.
loctrice wrote:
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
I agree that it would make a dent, but I think it's the wrong method... I just don't think the government should be MANDATING it. Start a program to encourage restaurants to go along with it... Give them "ratings" on how healthy they are, the way they already rate them for cleanliness... Educate the public... But it shouldn't be a law. I don't think eateries and movie theaters should be FORCED to limit the drink sizes.
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well, we would create more gang/mob power like prohibition. Overall though, it would actually still help. I think it'd be comical to have a mob centered around junk food and sugary drinks :D
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