Who are we helping most?
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Unfortunately, to provide the proof I would need a computer the size of a planet, and I haven't managed to find the keyboard for this one yet.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
computer the size of a planet or dolphins
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
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You get used to it and the origin and stature of the questioner should not deter you from answering questions. Unless they are about exam systems. These are always homework questions and should be avoided like bubonic plague. Also, don't be afraid to offer a sarcastic response if the question is, plainly, ludicrous. Oh, and always have a go at SA who thinks he knows the answer to life, the universe and everything. But doesn't.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
"The answer is on page 42 of your textbook" :laugh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
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It looks to me like most of questions in the "Quick Answer" section are asked by developers from India, who's just trying to start their development career. And judging by the level/nature of questions and the level of English in the questions, trying not too hard... Is there any stat on this on CP? Just curious...
Let's agree to disagree! Boris the animal Just Boris.
That would be an interesting statistics to have, but I don't think those questions are specific to country but to the forums itself, I've been helping a lot :suss: on many forums DotnetSpider, CP and MSDN and still active on the later one. The level / complexity of the problems differ in each forums and I hope you would agree. In my own experience questions not too specific gets answers or at-least directions than questions precise to the point, and obviously we attract/promote such user base! So your observations are based on beginners whom we find very often here. As another comment above reads, we have a huge young generation hoping to get some help! Lets help and encourage others to help!
Vallarasu S
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It looks to me like most of questions in the "Quick Answer" section are asked by developers from India, who's just trying to start their development career. And judging by the level/nature of questions and the level of English in the questions, trying not too hard... Is there any stat on this on CP? Just curious...
Let's agree to disagree! Boris the animal Just Boris.
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mark merrens wrote:
don't be afraid to offer a sarcastic response if the question is, plainly, ludicrous
Perhaps as a comment, but definitely not as an answer; the better approach would be to delete the question or downvote it.
Nonsense, there's no more fun to be had than with a pithy rejoinder in response to a schoolboy question. Far more effective than deleting or downvoting. What does that teach them? Nothing, nothing at all whereas they can learn something important and life-affirming from some witty repartee.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Nonsense, there's no more fun to be had than with a pithy rejoinder in response to a schoolboy question. Far more effective than deleting or downvoting. What does that teach them? Nothing, nothing at all whereas they can learn something important and life-affirming from some witty repartee.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Fun can still be had in the comments (until somebody comes along and deletes the question, if that is warranted). No need to post a non-answer as an answer. :)
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You really can't raise anyones knowledge level when the question is always of the form "please send the codez"!
A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
Dave KreskowiakSo you're saying I should rephrase my questions? ... :doh:
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You get used to it and the origin and stature of the questioner should not deter you from answering questions. Unless they are about exam systems. These are always homework questions and should be avoided like bubonic plague. Also, don't be afraid to offer a sarcastic response if the question is, plainly, ludicrous. Oh, and always have a go at SA who thinks he knows the answer to life, the universe and everything. But doesn't.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
Oh, and always have a go at SA who thinks he knows the answer to life, the universe and everything. But doesn't.
Somebody should post the question: "What is the meaning of life?" ...and let's see what SA's response is.... ;P What if he DOES know the answer! :omg:
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You are right. No question of sending of code; just giving a pointer to the solution to essentially initiate the thinking process - I think that's more than sufficient.
Amarnath S wrote:
just giving a pointer to the solution to essentially initiate the thinking process - I think that's more than sufficient
You're making a huge assumption there!
A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
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mark merrens wrote:
Oh, and always have a go at SA who thinks he knows the answer to life, the universe and everything. But doesn't.
Somebody should post the question: "What is the meaning of life?" ...and let's see what SA's response is.... ;P What if he DOES know the answer! :omg:
Albert Holguin wrote:
What if he DOES know the answer!
Oh shiiiiiiiit.....
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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It looks to me like most of questions in the "Quick Answer" section are asked by developers from India, who's just trying to start their development career. And judging by the level/nature of questions and the level of English in the questions, trying not too hard... Is there any stat on this on CP? Just curious...
Let's agree to disagree! Boris the animal Just Boris.
Vitaly Tomilov wrote:
Is there any stat on this on CP? Just curious...
Honestly, I have seen a number of "newbie" questions being asked in Q&A and not all from India. Note that those asking questions may actually be school students who are perhaps not even aware how to use this website. SO while we can teach them how to use CP, it does not make sense to snub them. If someone asks for their homework to be completed, we should ask them to try something on their own so that they can at least perhaps learn something. Just my point of view.
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I am Indian and live in India. I think, as a whole, we're helping each other. For example, I helped someone from Portugal, someone from Italy, and someone from China with their computer programs. So, we're in general helping the world to compute better. It also so happens that a significant proportion of the world's young population (< 25 years in age) lives in India and China, and their knowledge levels need to be raised.
With all due respect, IMHO, what people are talking about here is attitude of people who are asking questions. They are asking questions and a lot of guys are helping them and Nobody is saying they wont. But the real problem is that If we continue to spoon feed then perhaps we are killing the attitude and hunger for self learning, which I think is the most important aspect in a developers career. P.S. I am seriously concerned about the attitude of fresh software guys who passed out after 2008 here in India. I am in touch with a lot of them offline and online and it is an alarming situation. I had an opportunity to watch these guys from very close and I must say I found only 10% willing to be learners and doers, rest of them are working for a pay check only.
Every now and then say, "What the Elephant." "What the Elephant" gives you freedom. Freedom brings opportunity. Opportunity makes your future.
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With all due respect, IMHO, what people are talking about here is attitude of people who are asking questions. They are asking questions and a lot of guys are helping them and Nobody is saying they wont. But the real problem is that If we continue to spoon feed then perhaps we are killing the attitude and hunger for self learning, which I think is the most important aspect in a developers career. P.S. I am seriously concerned about the attitude of fresh software guys who passed out after 2008 here in India. I am in touch with a lot of them offline and online and it is an alarming situation. I had an opportunity to watch these guys from very close and I must say I found only 10% willing to be learners and doers, rest of them are working for a pay check only.
Every now and then say, "What the Elephant." "What the Elephant" gives you freedom. Freedom brings opportunity. Opportunity makes your future.
I agree to a large extent. I have found this attitude in a lot of freshers: The moment the get a job, their learning stops. Some of them even display a sense of arrogance, in that "I know more than you". (Please be informed that I don't have a basic Computer Science degree - I am a Mechanical Engineer by education - B.E., M.E. and Ph.D.). In fact, I remember a person who gave a talk on Huffman Coding; and it got proven during her talk that she had understood it completely wrong - we corrected her, and asked her to prepare better. Further, I see that some of their mathematical fundamentals are weak - they get frightened by the mention of simple sine / cosine functions; and start avoiding. Something has to be done to change the education system. It should become less job-oriented and more knowledge-oriented.
