Slammin' the Apple announcment sticky
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You mean commerical or consumer? Visual Studio is a commercial product.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Well VS 2012 is a dev IDE of a product whose earlier versions are very very popular among your members. The iPhone is a phone-device, you did not link to a dev talk/launch. I guess that may have put some people off. Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did. Of course they wouldn't have done that if the functionality was not there at all, but then that's victim blaming. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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You just love 1'sies......... Anyway, I don't hate Apple, otherwise I wouldn't have an Touch or a Tv. What I do hate is all the bullsh!t that the media hype into everything around Apple. I honestly think for once, that this product launch hasn't gone down as well as they would have hoped. This article (here on BusinessWeek[^] just sums up the BS. They could not have been further from the truth and this must have been written by a fanboy journalist. The comments at the bottom pretty much reflect my sentiment. Apple raising bar for Smartphones???? I think not, this time, they are playing catch up. When you go to Google Technology News and search for all articles relating to the 5, I think it is clear to see that the majority of the media have got wise to what has gone on, and are actually fairly critical of the device which makes a change. "No Wow", "Brilliant, but not best in class", blah blah blah. Then there is the change to the connector, and the required adapter to use the micro-usb, oh, how many people are going to be disappointed that their docks, car kits, alarm clocks, speakers etc, wont plug into their shiny new phone. Never the less, their share price will continue to rise, the legal battles will continue, but like every great tech company, there has to come a fall. The question is when.......
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I remember the media slamming the iPad when it came out, as did I. My disappointment is that bandwagons seem to be getting a little crowded lately. Lots and lots of reactive, or "me too" commentary, not enough "what does this actually mean in the real world". Personally the 5 seems to be a thinner, taller, faster version of the 4S. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a great phone, but it's a phone. It doesn't deserve to be given sainthood status, but nor is it a total abysmal failure. (unless it turns out to actually be a debacle like the 4 and its dodgy antennae). Lots of media are going on about it's lack of NFC and wireless charging, and its complete absence of unicorns. But for me I don't know anywhere I could actually use NFC (if I actually would yet trust my phone to be able to buy stuff simply by swiping) and something like wireless charging means you need a charging pad - but I always plug my phones into one of the dozen chargers I have buried in nooks and crannies around my place, and I don't think I want to buy that many pads. Nor do I want them to take up the real estate required. I'm happy about the connector. The old one was too clunky. I'm disappointed they didn't just go to USB, but that's wishful thinking. As to the unicorns, that's about the only show-stopper for me.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
I suspect some people don't care to hear about Apple stuff.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
AspDotNetDev wrote:
The new iPhone is many times faster than my old 486, is much smaller, and does a heck of a lot more
Hell, the chip in my watch is more powerful than my first computer. Apple's not to thank for that (although MS may be, partially). The rest is just software, and, to be honest (as in unbiased), I think the Android sector is not only blowing apple away in that demesne, but is also progressing faster. Marketing bollocks and apps that are slowed down by too much eye candy will only get them so far, and they know they're losing ground, so they're already resorting to hardware incompatibility tricks, to make their valued customers fork out for new peripherals (and that's from the same company that used to slam MS for not making Word documents forward compatible!)
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Mark Wallace wrote:
I think the Android sector is not only blowing apple away in that demesne, but is also progressing faster
Fragmentation is killing them. Google needs to take it back under its wing and get it under control. I have a Samsung Tab 7 plus and it's still on Android 3.2. 4.1 has been out for ever, but because I'm stuck waiting for Samsung the device isn't being updated. Or I could just go buy the Tab 2 7" - but it would be cynical of me to suggest Samsung is dragging its feet simply to drive sales of its new product.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I do not own any of their products but I do know they are overpriced. This is the only thing I do not like. I do not hate Apple, it's a strong word. As far as sticky goes, it was bit weird since I cannot recall anything like that from past (I didn't voted though). These launches might go to some new forum perhaps. Then it's up to people if they want to know about it or not. If you do that, please restrict posting messages there for some reliable guys. Or else, we might end up tons of posts telling new browser versions launched.
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I've definitely posted stickies before. For Microsoft launches.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Yep - the launch was a little lame. A live band with 3 songs to end? Weird. I have an aging 3GS so I'll be grabbing a new one, and weight is important for me since it's also my iPod when I ride. 4hours with a phone in your jersey pocket and every gram starts to get annoying. And I'm hoping the LTE radio emissions will keep my back nice and warm. Mmmmm...toasty... There's actually an Intel announcement that I am hoping to get more information on that will make much of the iPhone / Windows Phone / Android mess a little easier and far more interesting to devs. While Apple's event was a fizzer I'm depressed about the state of all the major carriers. Microsoft's marketing is as it is always. A mess. RIM...well, RIM. What can you say. And Samsung, while they have the polish and pizzazz, are not really innovating, more just doing what others have done, shinier and bigger. (The Galaxy's seem way to big for me).
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I thought you were nice and balanced by simultaneously linking to the VS launch. The irony there being that the MS launch had the passion that was missing from the Apple one. I read an op ed after that suggested that Apple are in danger of becoming boring. This is what happens when you're the dominant player. People scrutinise you more than the "little" players.
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Honesty! Refreshing honesty! hang on a second...:mad:
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Well VS 2012 is a dev IDE of a product whose earlier versions are very very popular among your members. The iPhone is a phone-device, you did not link to a dev talk/launch. I guess that may have put some people off. Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did. Of course they wouldn't have done that if the functionality was not there at all, but then that's victim blaming. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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Do you need a new stick to continue beating that horse? It looks kinda dead ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I am a mercenary - I don't like to waste my time learning any platform/languages/tools that won't result in me making more money Screw iPhones[^] i'm perfectly happy not buying/owning an iphone (ever), but making shit money is particularly uncool, especially if you work long hours
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devvvy wrote:
Those numbers are slightly skewed for one reason: Most people knew the iPhone 5 was coming, so they waited. If the Q3 numbers show the same thing, then I will say, yes, Android has grown its market share and Apple's has shrunk, but if not, I'll call it a wash.
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I remember the media slamming the iPad when it came out, as did I. My disappointment is that bandwagons seem to be getting a little crowded lately. Lots and lots of reactive, or "me too" commentary, not enough "what does this actually mean in the real world". Personally the 5 seems to be a thinner, taller, faster version of the 4S. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a great phone, but it's a phone. It doesn't deserve to be given sainthood status, but nor is it a total abysmal failure. (unless it turns out to actually be a debacle like the 4 and its dodgy antennae). Lots of media are going on about it's lack of NFC and wireless charging, and its complete absence of unicorns. But for me I don't know anywhere I could actually use NFC (if I actually would yet trust my phone to be able to buy stuff simply by swiping) and something like wireless charging means you need a charging pad - but I always plug my phones into one of the dozen chargers I have buried in nooks and crannies around my place, and I don't think I want to buy that many pads. Nor do I want them to take up the real estate required. I'm happy about the connector. The old one was too clunky. I'm disappointed they didn't just go to USB, but that's wishful thinking. As to the unicorns, that's about the only show-stopper for me.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I like the idea of being able to share photos with NFC. That will be handy.
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"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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I've definitely posted stickies before. For Microsoft launches.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
How dare you? That's just sheep behaviour. ;P
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No, I'm not protesting too much :) I'm procrastinating because I have too much to do but this is more interesting. I find it absolutely fascinating that if you took the reasons given and replace Apple with Microsoft, the arguments would no longer be valid (or, at least, not something that would then be presented as a reason) No, not paid.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
But it's only a phone. Pretty much bugger all to do with developers, unless we want to have sticky threads every time a product/gadget that might have interest to devs is released.
Chris Maunder wrote:
No, not paid.
Should have been. Next time, contact them first, and see what they're willing to offer. I doubt that many people would have a problem with CP having sponsored sticky threads -- it's a business, after all, and mouths have to be fed.
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I thought you were nice and balanced by simultaneously linking to the VS launch. The irony there being that the MS launch had the passion that was missing from the Apple one. I read an op ed after that suggested that Apple are in danger of becoming boring. This is what happens when you're the dominant player. People scrutinise you more than the "little" players.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
Another thing is the change that happens when the founders leave. When Jobs left (was escorted off the premises) Apple was awful. He came back and Apple completely turned around. He's now left the building, and, well, I think we're going to start seeing the effects sooner rather than later. Jony Ives can do wonders, and he gets it, but there needs to be a single person who says yes or no, and a single person responsible for the core vision. This is something Microsoft desperately needs. Someone to pick up the whole thing and say "let's work as a single unit and make sure it all works together". The Windows 8 Metro and Windows Phone 8 Metro confusion should not be.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I like the idea of being able to share photos with NFC. That will be handy.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
Definitely. But why can't bluetooth or Wifi (ie personal hotspot) do this? It's just network traffic.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Another thing is the change that happens when the founders leave. When Jobs left (was escorted off the premises) Apple was awful. He came back and Apple completely turned around. He's now left the building, and, well, I think we're going to start seeing the effects sooner rather than later. Jony Ives can do wonders, and he gets it, but there needs to be a single person who says yes or no, and a single person responsible for the core vision. This is something Microsoft desperately needs. Someone to pick up the whole thing and say "let's work as a single unit and make sure it all works together". The Windows 8 Metro and Windows Phone 8 Metro confusion should not be.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Until someone hides Ballmer's food and he becomes too weak to make it into the office I fear the MS death spiral will continue. And the only thing Sinofsky is the answer to is a really stupid question.
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"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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But it's only a phone. Pretty much bugger all to do with developers, unless we want to have sticky threads every time a product/gadget that might have interest to devs is released.
Chris Maunder wrote:
No, not paid.
Should have been. Next time, contact them first, and see what they're willing to offer. I doubt that many people would have a problem with CP having sponsored sticky threads -- it's a business, after all, and mouths have to be fed.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I'll facebook Tim Cook next time and get him to pony-up. He's so tight, though :rolleyes: So you see no opportunity in mobile device development? Nothing interesting in a device that hundreds of millions of people own, that has a fast chip, oodles of sensors, and is carried around almost 24hrs a day by people? I'm currently reviewing an Ultrabook as part of the Ultimate Code challenge[^], and I'm really, really, really excited about what we're going to see from developers. That we're finally seeing the capabilities that smartphones have had for years coming to laptops is awesome. But - the smartphones are still there and they can do amazing things and we're now seeing a complete new eco system evolve. My ultrabook and my phone can talk, my soon-to-be-delivered pebble smartwatch will talk to both, and control both. They will all be able to communicate with my bluetooth car stereo. They will all talk to my bike sensors and heartrate monitor. I love that all these devices (especially phones) are getting faster, and clearer, with better connectivity and sensors. I love it. Oh, and I have a desktop under my desk somewhere. It's 5 years old. I don't even care enough to upgrade it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Until someone hides Ballmer's food and he becomes too weak to make it into the office I fear the MS death spiral will continue. And the only thing Sinofsky is the answer to is a really stupid question.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
If I had a coffee I would spray it all over the screen. In fact, let me go grab one now. That is gold.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I hate Apple for the company that Jobs turned it into when he returned. I would much rather support a shop *with* a philantropic commitment: sure it might be a publicity stunt, but does get good done. At the moment they come across as a greedy entity who encourage uniformity and non-individualism. So that's why, it's a religeous thing.
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Chineese Proverb] Jonathan C Dickinson (C# Software Engineer)
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Well VS 2012 is a dev IDE of a product whose earlier versions are very very popular among your members. The iPhone is a phone-device, you did not link to a dev talk/launch. I guess that may have put some people off. Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did. Of course they wouldn't have done that if the functionality was not there at all, but then that's victim blaming. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did.
Why? The down-vote is a very valuable tool in showing somebody there post wasn't appreciated/could be improved. It is there to educate posters as to what is correct/expected behaviour. If you post something that gets a lot of downvotes then you learn to modify your behaviour in the future. In this way I believe down-votes actually contribute to improving the content on this site more than the up-votes do. Up-votes(in the social forums) actually do more damage than good, but that's another story. I've never really understood your opposition to down-votes.
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I'll facebook Tim Cook next time and get him to pony-up. He's so tight, though :rolleyes: So you see no opportunity in mobile device development? Nothing interesting in a device that hundreds of millions of people own, that has a fast chip, oodles of sensors, and is carried around almost 24hrs a day by people? I'm currently reviewing an Ultrabook as part of the Ultimate Code challenge[^], and I'm really, really, really excited about what we're going to see from developers. That we're finally seeing the capabilities that smartphones have had for years coming to laptops is awesome. But - the smartphones are still there and they can do amazing things and we're now seeing a complete new eco system evolve. My ultrabook and my phone can talk, my soon-to-be-delivered pebble smartwatch will talk to both, and control both. They will all be able to communicate with my bluetooth car stereo. They will all talk to my bike sensors and heartrate monitor. I love that all these devices (especially phones) are getting faster, and clearer, with better connectivity and sensors. I love it. Oh, and I have a desktop under my desk somewhere. It's 5 years old. I don't even care enough to upgrade it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Will you stop teasing us over the Ultrabook challenge? I'm looking forward to it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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I've definitely posted stickies before. For Microsoft launches.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP