Hey UK, How's That Gun-Free Zone Workin' Out For Y'all?
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Actually, it usually works out pretty well. This is an unusual (and terrible) incident. Generally speaking the police don't need guns because the vast majority (over 99% probably) of the people neither have access to or want a gun. Even if these poor girls had been carrying it looks like it was a trap and they may still have been killed. I also know that most police in the UK don't want to carry guns since they feel that will encourage criminals to use them, so heightening the risk. Yes, some criminals do and have always carried but most don't. What's stupid is making a stupid remark with little or no knowledge and making it sound like you're crowing over their deaths because it makes your point. Shame on you.
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mark merrens wrote:
Actually, it usually works out pretty well. This is an unusual (and terrible) incident. Generally speaking the police don't need guns because the vast majority (over 99% probably) of the people neither have access to or want a gun
He said: "I heard about 10 shots quite close, bang, bang, bang, like that. I knew they were gunshots because sometimes there is clay pigeon shooting in the fields. Sounds like everyone except the cops had guns.
mark merrens wrote:
Even if these poor girls had been carrying it looks like it was a trap and they may still have been killed.
Considering he had a grenade, also illegal in US, it wasn't a fair fight. I think the only failure here is the justice system that let him walk while under suspicion of murder.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
One Of The Worlds Highest Murder Rates
And, I believe, THE highest incarceration rate.
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Gun crime is actively reported in the UK because it's so rare. What's stupid is being a complete [word redacted to appease Slacker007] about the loss of a human life. John, your post was stupid, crass, insensitive, completely out of line and trolling.
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You could do without the asshole bit.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
One Of The Worlds Highest Murder Rates
And, I believe, THE highest incarceration rate.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
We Have One Of The Worlds Highest Murder Rates
We're actually around the middle of the pack on murder rate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[^] If you're talking gun related murder rates, then yes, we suck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country[^] Not defending JSOP, he's an elephant for posting that, just thought the data was interesting.
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Karl Sanford wrote:
We're actually around the middle of the pack on murder rate:
Not that that's saying much, given that the countries with higher murder rates are Central/South America and all of Africa. Marc
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You could do without the asshole bit.
Somethings I feel strongly about - and I don't regret a single word of my post. As a taunt, he was plain stupid, and sometimes you have to descend to someone's level before they can understand that they crossed a line. He shouldn't mind - after all, he has told us many, many times how manly and tough he is.
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Even the cops don't carry guns - how stupid is that?[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Dalek Dave wrote:
We Have One Of The Worlds Highest Murder Rates
We're actually around the middle of the pack on murder rate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[^] If you're talking gun related murder rates, then yes, we suck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country[^] Not defending JSOP, he's an elephant for posting that, just thought the data was interesting.
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More interesting data_..."Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world"_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland[^] From your links Switzerland is close to the top in ownership and I suspect that if the type of weapon was categorized they would be much higher. And from your other link the murder rate is far, far down the list. So one might conclude that either that higher gun owner does either impact death rates making it very, very high and very, very low. Or one might suppose that something completely different than gun ownership statistics has something to do with death rates.
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Somethings I feel strongly about - and I don't regret a single word of my post. As a taunt, he was plain stupid, and sometimes you have to descend to someone's level before they can understand that they crossed a line. He shouldn't mind - after all, he has told us many, many times how manly and tough he is.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
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I agree with your comments but you are a senior member.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
sometimes you have to descend to someone's level before they can understand that they crossed a line.
No you don't. You can disagree with John, and put him in his place, but don't call him an asshole. Just saying, Pete. ;)
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I agree with your comments but you are a senior member.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
sometimes you have to descend to someone's level before they can understand that they crossed a line.
No you don't. You can disagree with John, and put him in his place, but don't call him an asshole. Just saying, Pete. ;)
Fair enough, and I respect you for your opinion. It's not changing my mind any, but I do respect it.
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I agree with your comments but you are a senior member.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
sometimes you have to descend to someone's level before they can understand that they crossed a line.
No you don't. You can disagree with John, and put him in his place, but don't call him an asshole. Just saying, Pete. ;)
There you go. Word changed just for you.
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Even the cops don't carry guns - how stupid is that?[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
mark merrens wrote:
Actually, it usually works out pretty well. This is an unusual (and terrible) incident. Generally speaking the police don't need guns because the vast majority (over 99% probably) of the people neither have access to or want a gun
He said: "I heard about 10 shots quite close, bang, bang, bang, like that. I knew they were gunshots because sometimes there is clay pigeon shooting in the fields. Sounds like everyone except the cops had guns.
mark merrens wrote:
Even if these poor girls had been carrying it looks like it was a trap and they may still have been killed.
Considering he had a grenade, also illegal in US, it wasn't a fair fight. I think the only failure here is the justice system that let him walk while under suspicion of murder.
wizardzz wrote:
He said: "I heard about 10 shots quite close, bang, bang, bang, like that. I knew they were gunshots because sometimes there is clay pigeon shooting in the fields.
Sounds like everyone except the cops had guns.In general you can do this but you wouldn't own the gun: it's often a day out with lunch and you use the guns provided. To won a gun (legally) is quite difficult.
wizardzz wrote:
I think the only failure here is the justice system that let him walk while under suspicion of murder.
Excellent point. :thumbsup:
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wizardzz wrote:
a**holes
Wait, what?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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wizardzz wrote:
a**holes
Wait, what?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^] -
It turns out I'm the a***hole here. I thought you posted this[^]. It did strike me as out of character.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^] -
It turns out I'm the a***hole here. I thought you posted this[^]. It did strike me as out of character.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^] -
I mostly disagree. The citizenry probably shouldn't have bazookas and grenades.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
The citizenry probably shouldn't have bazookas and grenades WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.
Fix that for ya. If people would just read the 2nd Amendment, it pretty clearly doesn't put restrictions on what "arms" are, because it implies that they are current battlefield capable. That's the whole point behind "A well regulated militia".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Actually, it usually works out pretty well. This is an unusual (and terrible) incident. Generally speaking the police don't need guns because the vast majority (over 99% probably) of the people neither have access to or want a gun. Even if these poor girls had been carrying it looks like it was a trap and they may still have been killed. I also know that most police in the UK don't want to carry guns since they feel that will encourage criminals to use them, so heightening the risk. Yes, some criminals do and have always carried but most don't. What's stupid is making a stupid remark with little or no knowledge and making it sound like you're crowing over their deaths because it makes your point. Shame on you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
It most certainly does make my point. Gun control laws only disarm the law-abiding. Criminals, by their very nature, don't obey the law, so making laws concerning gun control are pointless.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
