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About some Texan schools pretending to do sexual education[^]
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
For me this article is not about condoms or sex or teenagers or AIDS. This article is about how dangerous people who refuse to think can be to our society. It's about how dangerous any ideology that is teaching people not to think is for our lives and for the lives of our children. If there is one thing that I am prejudiced against - I am prejudiced against people who refuse to think...
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What are in your opinion the real issues ? :confused:
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
The conservative stance is not that condoms do not help prevent disease but when the school readily marketed them the promiscuity (and disease) rapidly escalated, as it is now ok to do so. Those who wish to attack the religious (conservative) viewpoint have only found a few to quote to distort what the position really is and to make the conservative side look stupid. The number one item that will make me totally disrespect someone is when they can only use the above tactic (misrepresentation) to sell their position. Or if you can only justify your opinion by totally misrepresenting what the other sides opinion is, then you likely have nothing that is actually worth justifying in the first place. If you can justify your opinion while looking for the best the other side has to offer, than you can actually stand by it and IMO are worth while if I agree or not. "I will find a new sig someday."
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For me this article is not about condoms or sex or teenagers or AIDS. This article is about how dangerous people who refuse to think can be to our society. It's about how dangerous any ideology that is teaching people not to think is for our lives and for the lives of our children. If there is one thing that I am prejudiced against - I am prejudiced against people who refuse to think...
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: If there is one thing that I am prejudiced against - I am prejudiced against people who refuse to think... I'll second that! Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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David Wulff wrote: I haven't heard the latter, but QOTSA are what I'd call propper hard rock music - none of this crap modern stuff the school kids listen to that plagues our radio waves all day (and night). Agreed. Not that I'm completely averse to the modern "crap", but that's more background while I'm working stuff. QOTSA, FF, Creed, Staind and Muse are pretty much the only two "modern" rock bands I listen to. David Wulff wrote: They are one of the best - topped only (IMHO) by Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath rock, Blizzard of Ozz too (gotta love that Randy Rhodes). Still listen to a lot of Led Zep, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails and Nirvana. Other than that, I go for certain progressive bands from all eras, from Beatles and Floyd (inc. Roger Waters solo) to Marillion, Genesis (inc. Peter Gabrial solo) and Dream Theatre. And then there's the female soloists: Tori, Cranberries, Alanis, Jewel, Jane Siberry, even No Doubt when the mood hits me. And the occasional touch of Brit Pop, especially the first Longpigs CD. Radiohead and REM tend to hit my playlist for months on end and then disappear for as long, Eminem too. Enigma, Clannad, All About Eve, Mike Oldfield and the like for severe chillout purposes; Gorillaz and Tenacious D for amusement value. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tom Petty, Tom Waits... I could go on for ever. You can tell I like to have something for every mood. Anyway, I've ordered One By One now :-D. Paul Pleasently caving in, I come undone - Queens of the Stone Age, No One Knows
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: If there is one thing that I am prejudiced against - I am prejudiced against people who refuse to think... I'll second that! Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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Always Dave. ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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The conservative stance is not that condoms do not help prevent disease but when the school readily marketed them the promiscuity (and disease) rapidly escalated, as it is now ok to do so. Those who wish to attack the religious (conservative) viewpoint have only found a few to quote to distort what the position really is and to make the conservative side look stupid. The number one item that will make me totally disrespect someone is when they can only use the above tactic (misrepresentation) to sell their position. Or if you can only justify your opinion by totally misrepresenting what the other sides opinion is, then you likely have nothing that is actually worth justifying in the first place. If you can justify your opinion while looking for the best the other side has to offer, than you can actually stand by it and IMO are worth while if I agree or not. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: The conservative stance is not that condoms do not help prevent disease but when the school readily marketed them the promiscuity (and disease) rapidly escalated, as it is now ok to do so. Do you seriously believe that students only start having sex when teachers at school talk about it? I'm pushing 20 years since I was in middle high school and I know my interest in sex was on the boil well before any talk of it at school. When they did start it didn't change my thoughts or attitude or my luck. But I did get some before school finished and I still say that would have happened sex ed or not. It all seems to be a storm in a teacup. If parents haven't educated their kids on what sex is all about and don't trust them when their old enough to physically get into it then it's too damn late. Not talking about condoms isn't going to fix anything. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: The conservative stance is not that condoms do not help prevent disease but when the school readily marketed them the promiscuity (and disease) rapidly escalated, as it is now ok to do so. Do you seriously believe that students only start having sex when teachers at school talk about it? I'm pushing 20 years since I was in middle high school and I know my interest in sex was on the boil well before any talk of it at school. When they did start it didn't change my thoughts or attitude or my luck. But I did get some before school finished and I still say that would have happened sex ed or not. It all seems to be a storm in a teacup. If parents haven't educated their kids on what sex is all about and don't trust them when their old enough to physically get into it then it's too damn late. Not talking about condoms isn't going to fix anything. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Do you seriously believe that students only start having sex when teachers at school talk about it? NO Michael Martin wrote: It all seems to be a storm in a teacup. If parents haven't educated their kids on what sex is all about and don't trust them when their old enough to physically get into it then it's too damn late. Agreed My point was the article was manipulating what the issue was by making one side look stupid and not presenting what the feelings of the conservative side was. IMO they discredited themselves and their cause by showing how little they understood. You do not make progress towards a common solution by calling the other person stupid. Especially when they know you have ignored what they have been saying. Now I am 35 years out. My guesstimate is the promiscuity for your group was up say 5 to 10 percent from mine. But many things changed, mostly mobility of the children. So what caused it, for this discussion I do not care. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Michael Martin wrote: Do you seriously believe that students only start having sex when teachers at school talk about it? NO Michael Martin wrote: It all seems to be a storm in a teacup. If parents haven't educated their kids on what sex is all about and don't trust them when their old enough to physically get into it then it's too damn late. Agreed My point was the article was manipulating what the issue was by making one side look stupid and not presenting what the feelings of the conservative side was. IMO they discredited themselves and their cause by showing how little they understood. You do not make progress towards a common solution by calling the other person stupid. Especially when they know you have ignored what they have been saying. Now I am 35 years out. My guesstimate is the promiscuity for your group was up say 5 to 10 percent from mine. But many things changed, mostly mobility of the children. So what caused it, for this discussion I do not care. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: My point was the article was manipulating what the issue was by making one side look stupid and not presenting what the feelings of the conservative side was. It's getting late, I'm tired and at home on a shitty dial-up connection so I am going from memory here (which if history has proven anything is a bad idea on my part) as I'm not going to click on the link and reread the article. Didn't the conservative (or whoever it was) start the misrepresentation when they started their anti-condom campaign by comparing the size of the AIDS virus to the pores on condoms? Still seems to me someone somewhere needs to get themselves a bit of a root to remember that it is not all bad (and no I didn't mean you). Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: My point was the article was manipulating what the issue was by making one side look stupid and not presenting what the feelings of the conservative side was. It's getting late, I'm tired and at home on a shitty dial-up connection so I am going from memory here (which if history has proven anything is a bad idea on my part) as I'm not going to click on the link and reread the article. Didn't the conservative (or whoever it was) start the misrepresentation when they started their anti-condom campaign by comparing the size of the AIDS virus to the pores on condoms? Still seems to me someone somewhere needs to get themselves a bit of a root to remember that it is not all bad (and no I didn't mean you). Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Didn't the conservative (or whoever it was) start the misrepresentation This line could go back forever. And I do not care who started what. My point for anyside is this article continues it. I would complain no matter which side this was. "I will find a new sig someday."