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  • G Gary Wheeler

    Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

    I had to build a linked list using arrays

    We did the same in my Data Structures class in 1980. In FORTRAN.

    Software Zen: delete this;

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    RugbyLeague
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    Luxury, we had to do it on an abacus, but try telling t'kids o' today that and they won't believe you.

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    • B BobJanova

      :omg: What on earth possessed the patent office, in 2006, to grant that? There is 30 years of prior art, and it's not even obscure!

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      The patent office doesn't think it's their job to judge whether a patent should be granted, only whether all the bureaucracy has been followed. They'll rubber stamp pretty much anything, because they know that whether it actually stands or not, depends on how the court system decides lawsuits surrounding it. Yes, they do some review, but they can't know every nuance of every field.

      We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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        The patent office doesn't think it's their job to judge whether a patent should be granted, only whether all the bureaucracy has been followed. They'll rubber stamp pretty much anything, because they know that whether it actually stands or not, depends on how the court system decides lawsuits surrounding it. Yes, they do some review, but they can't know every nuance of every field.

        We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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        tzych
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        the problem with this approach, of course, is that the courts seem to take the attitude that if the patent office issued the patent, they must have known what they were doing. and so overturning even a patent with obvious prior art is an uphill struggle...

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          the problem with this approach, of course, is that the courts seem to take the attitude that if the patent office issued the patent, they must have known what they were doing. and so overturning even a patent with obvious prior art is an uphill struggle...

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          So, what you're saying is that the courts have decided they aren't qualified to evaluate patents either. Seems we need to find people who are qualified. One option is to open all patents to a period of public review prior to being awarded, but there's not much incentive (actually, there's a disincentive) for people to do those reviews. I'm in favor of a different way of finding people who are qualified. And there's an easy source of qualified reviewers that the patent office already has at hand -- the inventors. Just require the inventors to review 10 other patents in their field before theirs can be granted. Give them an incentive for doing a good job -- they don't have to review as many pantents if they can find some prior art that wasn't listed.

          We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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          • P patbob

            The patent office doesn't think it's their job to judge whether a patent should be granted, only whether all the bureaucracy has been followed. They'll rubber stamp pretty much anything, because they know that whether it actually stands or not, depends on how the court system decides lawsuits surrounding it. Yes, they do some review, but they can't know every nuance of every field.

            We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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            BobJanova
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            They shouldn't be expected to know every nuance of every field, but something as basic as linked lists is not a 'nuance'. A simple Google would have turned up CS textbooks! It's like trying to patent the method of building that involves placing one layer of bricks offset by half a brick from the previous layer ... so obviously prior art that even a committee of laymen should notice.

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            • B Brady Kelly

              Next time you whip up a linked list, just be sure you aren't infringing on any patents[^].

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              Moshe Katz
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              There is a discussion on AskPatents[^] with a number of prior-art examples.

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                So, what you're saying is that the courts have decided they aren't qualified to evaluate patents either. Seems we need to find people who are qualified. One option is to open all patents to a period of public review prior to being awarded, but there's not much incentive (actually, there's a disincentive) for people to do those reviews. I'm in favor of a different way of finding people who are qualified. And there's an easy source of qualified reviewers that the patent office already has at hand -- the inventors. Just require the inventors to review 10 other patents in their field before theirs can be granted. Give them an incentive for doing a good job -- they don't have to review as many pantents if they can find some prior art that wasn't listed.

                We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                Jimzie from Fresno
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                "...they don't have to review as many (sic) pantents..." Aye, there's the rub. Fewer patent applications mean less application fees - and perhaps fewer examiners. At the moment, the US government want to decrease the unemployment numbers by increasing government positions, rather than by making economic conditions conducive to greater employment by private enterprises. That decrease works well in the narrative of the incumbent. So we're not getting less examiners.

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                • C Chris Losinger

                  they patented the Multiply_linked_list[^]? :(( Wiki:

                  In a multiply linked list, each node contains two or more link fields, each field being used to connect the same set of data records in a different order (e.g., by name, by department, by date of birth, etc.). (While doubly linked lists can be seen as special cases of multiply linked list, the fact that the two orders are opposite to each other leads to simpler and more efficient algorithms, so they are usually treated as a separate case.)

                  patent drawing #1

                  image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                  jschell
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                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                  they patented the Multiply_linked_list[^]?

                  That is the way I read it. Although I haven't ever created one.

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                  • R Ravi Bhavnani

                    Bogus, man.  In my CS class in 1981 I had to build a linked list using arrays.  What'll they patent next?  Recursion?  (I had to simulate recursion using my own call stack in the same course.) :| Now rounded rectangles... that's a different matter altogether. /ravi

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                    Totally. I did a linked list in a random access (flat file) database for a dental office scheduling program I wrote in '79. In '87 I had to rewrite a report generator that picked through records to generate a manifest for the conveyor system I was working on. Original program took 15 seconds to generate the report in the morning and over 5 minutes in the afternoon because of the volume of information. The linked list version ran in 10 seconds, no matter the time of day. Maybe I should patent my disk file variant. Next they'll be patenting fried eggs.

                    Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                    • B Brady Kelly

                      Next time you whip up a linked list, just be sure you aren't infringing on any patents[^].

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                      bpfh
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                      Linked list : Hold your horses, this is how the Microsoft FAT works unless my alcohol addled brain is playing games. Patent number 5,579,517, issued in 1996... and successfully challenged and cancelled in 2012...

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                      • B Brady Kelly

                        Next time you whip up a linked list, just be sure you aren't infringing on any patents[^].

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                        Member 4608898
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                        Wonder if someone will patent the asterisk. That will be fun - half the people I know draw the asterisk with 4 lines, the others draw it with 3.

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