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  • J jim lahey

    Find out if you're gonna get groped at the airport: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20080621[^]

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    Clifford Nelson
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    Of course I think that they security measures are excessive. There had been about one hyjacking in the US every decade before 911. The cost of current security measures has to be billions a year. Have to include additional time people have to now wait in line and the cost of the TSA and cost to airlines. That does not include the non-tangables. Hardly cost effective. Now the improved security on airplanes does make sense. Not allow people to congregate in the front, the reinforced door to the cockpit. If you really wanted to be secure, than make sure the cockpit door cannot be opened during flight.

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      Find out if you're gonna get groped at the airport: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20080621[^]

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      wizardzz
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      Let me know when they make the same kind of reader for dates.

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        Of course I think that they security measures are excessive. There had been about one hyjacking in the US every decade before 911. The cost of current security measures has to be billions a year. Have to include additional time people have to now wait in line and the cost of the TSA and cost to airlines. That does not include the non-tangables. Hardly cost effective. Now the improved security on airplanes does make sense. Not allow people to congregate in the front, the reinforced door to the cockpit. If you really wanted to be secure, than make sure the cockpit door cannot be opened during flight.

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        Andrew Rissing
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        Yeah, make the whole cockpit open like a fighter jet. That'll guarantee no one opens it during flight. Though, if the pilots ever become incapacitated (see Airplane[^]), the passengers would be out of luck.

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          Yeah, make the whole cockpit open like a fighter jet. That'll guarantee no one opens it during flight. Though, if the pilots ever become incapacitated (see Airplane[^]), the passengers would be out of luck.

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          Clifford Nelson
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          If you put the pilots in suits, then they could survive. But all I talked about was locking down the cockpit during flight. Of course that would mean you probably would want a head in the cockpit (the other option is not very nice), which takes space and weight.

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            Of course I think that they security measures are excessive. There had been about one hyjacking in the US every decade before 911. The cost of current security measures has to be billions a year. Have to include additional time people have to now wait in line and the cost of the TSA and cost to airlines. That does not include the non-tangables. Hardly cost effective. Now the improved security on airplanes does make sense. Not allow people to congregate in the front, the reinforced door to the cockpit. If you really wanted to be secure, than make sure the cockpit door cannot be opened during flight.

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            jschell
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            Clifford Nelson wrote:

            If you really wanted to be secure, than make sure the cockpit door cannot be opened during flight.

            1. Door cannot be opened. 2. There is one and only one communication signal from the rest of the plane to the cock pit which means "Emergency - land at nearest airport" 3. Pilots can exit without going through rest of plane. 4. Pilots do not exit normally without receiving a signal from outside the plane on the ground that indicates it is all clear.

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              Clifford Nelson wrote:

              If you really wanted to be secure, than make sure the cockpit door cannot be opened during flight.

              1. Door cannot be opened. 2. There is one and only one communication signal from the rest of the plane to the cock pit which means "Emergency - land at nearest airport" 3. Pilots can exit without going through rest of plane. 4. Pilots do not exit normally without receiving a signal from outside the plane on the ground that indicates it is all clear.

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              Clifford Nelson
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              Probably need a little more information besides Emergency. No reason in going to a military base of a medical emergency, but may want to land at a military base if there are armed men aboard. Still having only a single signal may be enough. Could also have cameras (maybe be able to send camera images back to ATC). Maybe allow crew to communicate with ATC, and ATC can then communicate to the cockpit.

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                Probably need a little more information besides Emergency. No reason in going to a military base of a medical emergency, but may want to land at a military base if there are armed men aboard. Still having only a single signal may be enough. Could also have cameras (maybe be able to send camera images back to ATC). Maybe allow crew to communicate with ATC, and ATC can then communicate to the cockpit.

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                Clifford Nelson wrote:

                Could also have cameras (maybe be able to send camera images back to ATC). Maybe allow crew to communicate with ATC, and ATC can then communicate to the cockpit.

                Cameras would allow written messages/threats.

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                  Clifford Nelson wrote:

                  Could also have cameras (maybe be able to send camera images back to ATC). Maybe allow crew to communicate with ATC, and ATC can then communicate to the cockpit.

                  Cameras would allow written messages/threats.

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                  Clifford Nelson
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                  Then just allow the ATC to have access to the images. This is getting messy

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                    Then just allow the ATC to have access to the images. This is getting messy

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                    jschell
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                    Clifford Nelson wrote:

                    Then just allow the ATC to have access to the images. This is getting messy

                    That is why the only method is a button.

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                    • J jschell

                      Clifford Nelson wrote:

                      Then just allow the ATC to have access to the images. This is getting messy

                      That is why the only method is a button.

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                      Clifford Nelson
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                      Somebody is going to have to have information to know how to deal with the situation. Obviously if some information is available to those on the groud, then they can control what the flight crew knows. Otherwise what safe option does the fight crew have beside heading out into the ocean for a crash landing to prevent the use of the airplane as a way to deliver poisen gas or some other nasty.

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