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    PaulowniaK
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    I'm rubbish at them "figure out what this mangled collection of letters and numbers say" thing that supposedly tells a website whether you are a robot. Is it just me that find them too confusing?

    Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...

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      I'm rubbish at them "figure out what this mangled collection of letters and numbers say" thing that supposedly tells a website whether you are a robot. Is it just me that find them too confusing?

      Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...

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      DaveAuld
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      I had one last night that had the 1/2 fraction character in it. WTF! like I'm going to open up character map to go and get it for the sake of a captcha. just hit refresh instead.

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        I'm rubbish at them "figure out what this mangled collection of letters and numbers say" thing that supposedly tells a website whether you are a robot. Is it just me that find them too confusing?

        Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...

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        Tom Deketelaere
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        All the time. Strange thing is tho some are so freaking easy a robot could find them. And others are so damn hard it's next to impossible to get them. I'v had several site's that I just gave up trying to log in / sign in because of them. Hate the little bastards.

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          I'm rubbish at them "figure out what this mangled collection of letters and numbers say" thing that supposedly tells a website whether you are a robot. Is it just me that find them too confusing?

          Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...

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          Johnny J
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          There are different systems for captcha. Some are reasonable but one system REALLY pisses me off: reCaptcha[^] That one is a real pain in the butt - Impossible to read 90% of times and sometimes the words are even halfway outside the image so that NOBODY - man or machine - can SEE them, let alone read them. Every time I have the misfortune to visit a website that wants me to enter a reCaptcha, I take time to send them a long written complaint. I have no problem with other Captcha systems!

          Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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            There are different systems for captcha. Some are reasonable but one system REALLY pisses me off: reCaptcha[^] That one is a real pain in the butt - Impossible to read 90% of times and sometimes the words are even halfway outside the image so that NOBODY - man or machine - can SEE them, let alone read them. Every time I have the misfortune to visit a website that wants me to enter a reCaptcha, I take time to send them a long written complaint. I have no problem with other Captcha systems!

            Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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            J4amieC
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            You realise that reCaptcha has 1 pretty readable word (that's the bit you have to fill in correctly) and one(the impossible to read part) which you are being croudsourced to parse? Its a google-owned project to digitalize old books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA[^]

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              There are different systems for captcha. Some are reasonable but one system REALLY pisses me off: reCaptcha[^] That one is a real pain in the butt - Impossible to read 90% of times and sometimes the words are even halfway outside the image so that NOBODY - man or machine - can SEE them, let alone read them. Every time I have the misfortune to visit a website that wants me to enter a reCaptcha, I take time to send them a long written complaint. I have no problem with other Captcha systems!

              Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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              Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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              Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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              Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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              OriginalGriff
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              That is kind of the idea - reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR - hence some of them will be completely unreadable. Just refresh it - I normally can work it out, and it's in a good cause.

              If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                You realise that reCaptcha has 1 pretty readable word (that's the bit you have to fill in correctly) and one(the impossible to read part) which you are being croudsourced to parse? Its a google-owned project to digitalize old books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA[^]

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                J4amieC wrote:

                You realise that reCaptcha has 1 pretty readable word

                I do, but even that one can be extremely hard to work out both because of the smeared text and the fact that the words usually don't belong to any normal persons active vocabulary

                Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  That is kind of the idea - reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR - hence some of them will be completely unreadable. Just refresh it - I normally can work it out, and it's in a good cause.

                  If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                  Johnny J
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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  it's in a good cause

                  You mean "Pissing off the user" is a good cause? ;P

                  Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                  Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                  Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                  Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                    That is kind of the idea - reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR - hence some of them will be completely unreadable. Just refresh it - I normally can work it out, and it's in a good cause.

                    If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                    Johnny J
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                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR

                    I don't believe that for a second. First of all: reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes. Second: How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is? :doh:

                    Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                    Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                    Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                    Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                      J4amieC wrote:

                      You realise that reCaptcha has 1 pretty readable word

                      I do, but even that one can be extremely hard to work out both because of the smeared text and the fact that the words usually don't belong to any normal persons active vocabulary

                      Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                      Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                      Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                      Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                      J4amieC
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                      Johnny J. wrote:

                      normal persons active vocabulary

                      It would to a normal person 100 years ago when the book may have been published.

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR

                        I don't believe that for a second. First of all: reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes. Second: How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is? :doh:

                        Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                        Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                        Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                        Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                        OriginalGriff
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                        Because it averages the results over a large number of users. I would imagine that one of the words it has a high confidence in (or a high confidence in some of the letters) and the other a lower confidence. Depending on how much your response matches the confidence values whether you get approved or not.

                        If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          it's in a good cause

                          You mean "Pissing off the user" is a good cause? ;P

                          Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                          Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                          Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                          OriginalGriff
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                          Isn't Microsoft based solely on that premise? :laugh:

                          If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                            OriginalGriff wrote:

                            reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR

                            I don't believe that for a second. First of all: reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes. Second: How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is? :doh:

                            Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                            Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                            Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                            Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                            Johnny J. wrote:

                            reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes

                            Thats the whole point. If you get 10,000 humans to OCR a word, and 9,500 give you the same (or similar) word you can be pretty sure they've got it right. It doesnt show a different word to every human and expect that they have it right. Sheesh. I would have thought that was obvious.

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                              Johnny J. wrote:

                              normal persons active vocabulary

                              It would to a normal person 100 years ago when the book may have been published.

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                              Johnny J
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                              So you mean that no author 100 years ago used unusual and hard to understand words for the average reader? Shakespeare would be disappointed to learn that, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

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                              Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                              Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                Johnny J. wrote:

                                reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes

                                Thats the whole point. If you get 10,000 humans to OCR a word, and 9,500 give you the same (or similar) word you can be pretty sure they've got it right. It doesnt show a different word to every human and expect that they have it right. Sheesh. I would have thought that was obvious.

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                                Johnny J
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                                I didn't know that you were the lead developer on that project. Sorry to have knocked your product... ;P

                                Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                                Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                                Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                                  reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR

                                  I don't believe that for a second. First of all: reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes. Second: How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is? :doh:

                                  Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                  Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                                  Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                                  Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                  How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is?

                                  How about asking 1000 people to enter the same captcha? If one word gets the most responses, its a winner! Maybe we should all enter elephants into the reCaptchas we come across??

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                                    How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is?

                                    How about asking 1000 people to enter the same captcha? If one word gets the most responses, its a winner! Maybe we should all enter elephants into the reCaptchas we come across??

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                                    If what you and Griff says is correct, then the first couple of times a given word is entered, the system will have to allow it - no matter what is entered - because it has insufficient data to compare with... How the hell is that for security? :doh:

                                    Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                    Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                                    Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                                    Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                      If what you and Griff says is correct, then the first couple of times a given word is entered, the system will have to allow it - no matter what is entered - because it has insufficient data to compare with... How the hell is that for security? :doh:

                                      Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                      Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                                      Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                                      Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                      I think they give you two words, one is used for security, the other only used for OCR.

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                                        You realise that reCaptcha has 1 pretty readable word (that's the bit you have to fill in correctly) and one(the impossible to read part) which you are being croudsourced to parse? Its a google-owned project to digitalize old books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA[^]

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                                        Huh, I never realized that. Now I know why it sometimes accepts my input even when I'm reasonably sure that it's wrong.

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                                          If what you and Griff says is correct, then the first couple of times a given word is entered, the system will have to allow it - no matter what is entered - because it has insufficient data to compare with... How the hell is that for security? :doh:

                                          Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                          Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                                          Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                                          Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                          Johnny J. wrote:

                                          How the hell is that for security

                                          If captcha's are being used for "security" then that is the real WTF! Captcha's are used to distinguish humans from computers, not to secure anything!

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