How times change...
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Never played games so that was wasted on me. In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.r
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mark merrens wrote:
In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.
Just an observation...many humans do that. And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's a subjective observation, not a definition.
No, it's objective. Socialists take power: they raise taxes and spend even more than they raise and blame everything on the previous government. Public finally figures out they've been had and votes in a non-socialist type of government which has to spend all of its time fixing what the socialists did, making them unpopular. Stupid public votes back in the socialists who do exactly the same thing again. Seen it too many times to consider it a subjective observation. (And I'm not saying the other end of the spectrum is any better but that wasn't under discussion).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Implies that any other than a socialist would not have, does it not?
No, see above.
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mark merrens wrote:
In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.
Just an observation...many humans do that. And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
jschell wrote:
Just an observation...many humans do that.
Are you inferring that you are not human?
jschell wrote:
And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
LOL: not a single event: I've lived through a number of "Labour" (for which read socialist and, sometimes, closet communist) governments and, without fail, they do the same thing each and every time even after promising they won't: tax and spend.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Plus ce change. However anyone thinking we're in the same situation again should consider that we actually still have a Socialist government. By that I don't just mean that the current 'Conservative' government is actually increasing spending ( which it is although on nothing useful ) and borrowing but that we are now being governed largely by the EU. It produces > 70% of our legislation by page count and controls > 40% of policy areas covering considerably more than £100,000,000,000 ( 100 billion ) of annual expenditure. For example our elected government has no more influence over its own environmental policy than Greenpeace, in fact probably less, as it's an example of a full EU 'competancy'. In other words the EU have 100% control of all environmental legislation and policy. (Every time the BBC announce something environmental as 'government' policy they're lying and they know they are) The EU's faux democratic 'parliament' is majority Socialist controlled with the head of the dominant Socialist block being a previously convicted Red Brigade terrorist who spent a long stretch in prison for blowing people up in the name of Communism. The unelected Commisson which is where all the power is in the EU is the plaything of its own bureaucrats who have a long standing apparently Socialist agenda determined mostly by their majority selection from a very narrow elite of French civil servants who in no way see themselves as servants to anyone. However if you are a hard core right wing Thatcherite social Darwinian then do not despair for the EUSSR like the USSR after which so much of it is modelled is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a lie. Behind all the Socialist facade and all the petty bureacrats working so hard for the false dream of an international Socialist utopia is a deeper darker truth. At its core the EU is in fact much more like a Faschist organisation than a Socialist one. The only body that can actually recommend laws directly to the Commission is not a government or a convention but a cabal of top business leaders called the European Roundtable of Industrialists (ERT) and the whole 'European Project' as its called was originally sponsored by the neo-feudalist New York banking tycoons who control the US Federal reserve. Such greed worshipping anti-human arch manipulators who could never reasonably be mistaken for Socialists. The 'Euro' currency itself which was designed by the 'Club of Rome', a think tank dominated by international arms dealers and tools of the banking elite, and then p
You forgot to mention that they are all shape-shifting lizards!
It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com
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You forgot to mention that they are all shape-shifting lizards!
It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com
:laugh: Poor, poor David I. I feel sorry for him and moreso for the fools that hang on his every word. The worst part is that he has so much of the truth and he's a brilliant presenter so when he mixes it all up with a pack of lies his audiences just swallow it all down and are as oblivious to the difference as he is. A footballer given an open goal and lacking the basic training to take advantage of it. :sigh:
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Socialists have very selective memories.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
Socialists have very selective memories.
That is obviously correct for socialists... and capitalists... and liberals... and opportunists... and pessimists... and optimists... and men... and women... and nearly everbody on the whole plante. :thumbsup:
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Socialists have very selective memories.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
Socialists People have very selective memories.
FTFY
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mark merrens wrote:
Socialists have very selective memories.
That is obviously correct for socialists... and capitalists... and liberals... and opportunists... and pessimists... and optimists... and men... and women... and nearly everbody on the whole plante. :thumbsup:
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You are correct in a wider sense but we're talking specifically about a political bloc that promulgates a particular economic stance and justifies it, each time they gain power, on the perceived failings of the previous government rather than admitting (as if that would ever happen) that what they are promising to do will make things even worse. The thing with 'socialists' is they want everyone to wear a cloth cap and live in a 2-up, 2-down whilst they reap the rewards of being in power. Conservatives, on the other hand, are quite happy to let you know how rich they already are but at least bring economic common sense to the table (usually). Again, I've lived through a number of these cycles so am under no illusions as to how bad all sides of the spectrum really are; I simply see socialists as the worst possible choice in a democratic society: it leaves everyone poorer.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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mark merrens wrote:
Socialists have very selective memories.
That is obviously correct for socialists... and capitalists... and liberals... and opportunists... and pessimists... and optimists... and men... and women... and nearly everbody on the whole plante. :thumbsup:
------------------------------ Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night. War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
Good one
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jschell wrote:
Just an observation...many humans do that.
Are you inferring that you are not human?
jschell wrote:
And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
LOL: not a single event: I've lived through a number of "Labour" (for which read socialist and, sometimes, closet communist) governments and, without fail, they do the same thing each and every time even after promising they won't: tax and spend.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
Are you inferring that you are not human?
I am stating that most humans do not consider the past when making decisions. Politics has nothing to do with it.
mark merrens wrote:
not a single event
Not sure what that means in terms of my comment. But again politics has nothing to do with my comment.
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Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
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"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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You are correct in a wider sense but we're talking specifically about a political bloc that promulgates a particular economic stance and justifies it, each time they gain power, on the perceived failings of the previous government rather than admitting (as if that would ever happen) that what they are promising to do will make things even worse. The thing with 'socialists' is they want everyone to wear a cloth cap and live in a 2-up, 2-down whilst they reap the rewards of being in power. Conservatives, on the other hand, are quite happy to let you know how rich they already are but at least bring economic common sense to the table (usually). Again, I've lived through a number of these cycles so am under no illusions as to how bad all sides of the spectrum really are; I simply see socialists as the worst possible choice in a democratic society: it leaves everyone poorer.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
I simply see socialists as the worst possible choice in a democratic society: it leaves everyone poorer.
I don't want to say you are wrong (because you are right in some way). But, well in Germany we had a so called social capitalism (it's still called so, but they perverted the term social) and I think that's a good combination. Everyone can live from the money he earns and still - if you want to and have the right ideas - you can get rich. Socialism is not possible in our world, it can't work, and capitalism pervertes often the "work" of people, that they can't live from their jobs.
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