What happens with the next Axis Of Evil target?
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Stan Shannon wrote: If the UN is to be a means of "balancing" off American power, and engendering an international climit hostile to our security, than it should openly admit to it. Do you really think SH is the biggest threat nowadays that have to face the US? Do you realize the cost of the damage made to the public image of the US in the Rest-of-World (R-o-W) opinion, whatever the R-o-W opinion?
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KaЯl wrote: Do you really think SH is the biggest threat nowadays that have to face the US? I have no idea. But to the extent he is a threat, and to the extent that the UN appears unable or unwilling to do anything about him and his ilk, begs the question - what the hell does the UN exist for? The only role I see the UN playing is to provide organized resistance to U.S. foreign policy while doing absolutely nothing about SH. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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KaЯl wrote: Do you really think SH is the biggest threat nowadays that have to face the US? I have no idea. But to the extent he is a threat, and to the extent that the UN appears unable or unwilling to do anything about him and his ilk, begs the question - what the hell does the UN exist for? The only role I see the UN playing is to provide organized resistance to U.S. foreign policy while doing absolutely nothing about SH. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
You're IMHO unfair in your comment. It's not because UN don't fit your agenda right now that it's totally useless. Remember the Korea War, the US played well with and used it, didn't they? (no contestation here, it was IMO justified)
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Perhaps China will be in a position to challenge them in a few decades, but even this is unlikely Interesting point: Would the US let China get anywhere near the level to challenge the US militarily? Last time I checked the US still did not like China that much. They could easily spin up a fuss about China and validate an invasion to bring "democracy" to China. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: The only people that could stop this would be the US electorate Would the electorate do this though? How far would the leaders have to push before the electorate rebelled? Already with Iraq there have been massive rallies, but nothing has actually changed.
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Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Interesting point: Would the US let China get anywhere near the level to challenge the US militarily? Last time I checked the US still did not like China that much. They could easily spin up a fuss about China and validate an invasion to bring "democracy" to China. War with China is the end of the world, including US and everyone knows it. I see US+China dominate together, with EU influence dropping. US is revising relationship with China this year, from early leaks it's encouraging.
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There is one problem. Bush doesn't have the guts to count the bodies of US soldiers as they clear Bhagdad street by street. It was other troops like Syrians that did a lot of it last time in Kuwait except the Iraqis has somewhere to retreat from so expect 1000+ US casualties. The worst thing would be for Bush to start the war and not complete it. Which is what happened last time :suss: The tigress is here :-D
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You're IMHO unfair in your comment. It's not because UN don't fit your agenda right now that it's totally useless. Remember the Korea War, the US played well with and used it, didn't they? (no contestation here, it was IMO justified)
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I think the world at large is increasingly inclined to view the American system of capitalism as a far greater threat than Islamic fundamentalism. The U.N. has bought into that view and is more concerned about containing us than about containing terrorism. Otherwise, I can make no sense of their behavior. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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I think the world at large is increasingly inclined to view the American system of capitalism as a far greater threat than Islamic fundamentalism. The U.N. has bought into that view and is more concerned about containing us than about containing terrorism. Otherwise, I can make no sense of their behavior. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Your analysis may be good. I would rather say the capitalist system as the americans have, 'cause it's IMHO more linked to the system than to anti-americanism. Bush is the target, not America. Anti-globalization movements have changed their name, they are known now as alter-globalization movements :) They aren't against globalization, they are against the one the Market wants. The Riches have the Davos Forum, the Poors have Porto-Alegre[^]
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Your analysis may be good. I would rather say the capitalist system as the americans have, 'cause it's IMHO more linked to the system than to anti-americanism. Bush is the target, not America. Anti-globalization movements have changed their name, they are known now as alter-globalization movements :) They aren't against globalization, they are against the one the Market wants. The Riches have the Davos Forum, the Poors have Porto-Alegre[^]
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KaЯl wrote: they are known now as alter-globalization movements Which is just another name for Marxism. The Europeans feel that if they just keep giving Marxism a new name, someday it will magically begin to work. We American's are very much aware of this, and feel very much threatened by it. We do not want Socialism. You guys seem to believe that there is some kind of mass of Americans waiting to be liberated from capitalism. I can assure you the truth is guite the contrary. The core of American culture remains committed to our capitalistic system. The free market is the source of our political/social freedom. We will not give it up without a fight. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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KaЯl wrote: they are known now as alter-globalization movements Which is just another name for Marxism. The Europeans feel that if they just keep giving Marxism a new name, someday it will magically begin to work. We American's are very much aware of this, and feel very much threatened by it. We do not want Socialism. You guys seem to believe that there is some kind of mass of Americans waiting to be liberated from capitalism. I can assure you the truth is guite the contrary. The core of American culture remains committed to our capitalistic system. The free market is the source of our political/social freedom. We will not give it up without a fight. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Which is just another name for Marxism. Please, throw your blinkers away and open your mind! The brain is like a parachute, it needs to be open to work. You made progress in the last times, why this relapse ;P ? Stan Shannon wrote: I can assure you the truth is guite the contrary. But I know some Americans don't think your way, on the contrary. I've seen it on TV at Seattle, I've listened to it on radio with Rage Against the Machine. I would make a big mistake to confuse your opinion with the American one, it would be pure anti-americanism :) Stan Shannon wrote: We will not give it up without a fight. The Davy Crockett complex ;) ? Now, listen: **I don't want US to change, but I don't want US impose me their system
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Stan Shannon wrote: Which is just another name for Marxism. Please, throw your blinkers away and open your mind! The brain is like a parachute, it needs to be open to work. You made progress in the last times, why this relapse ;P ? Stan Shannon wrote: I can assure you the truth is guite the contrary. But I know some Americans don't think your way, on the contrary. I've seen it on TV at Seattle, I've listened to it on radio with Rage Against the Machine. I would make a big mistake to confuse your opinion with the American one, it would be pure anti-americanism :) Stan Shannon wrote: We will not give it up without a fight. The Davy Crockett complex ;) ? Now, listen: **I don't want US to change, but I don't want US impose me their system
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KaЯl wrote: Please, throw your blinkers away and open your mind! How, precisely, does it differ from Marxism? KaЯl wrote: But I know some Americans don't think your way, on the contrary. I've seen it on TV at Seattle, I've listened to it on radio with Rage Against the Machine. The media is blowing it out of proportion. Places like California, Washington,Oregon and New England are about the only areas you will find those groups in sizable proportions. KaЯl wrote: I would make a big mistake to confuse your opinion with the American one, it would be pure anti-americanism If anything, I am very much a moderate compared to most people in the Southern, Midwestern and Western areas of the U.S. The core of the U.S. population remains solidly anti-Socialistic. Violently so. KaЯl wrote: The Davy Crockett complex ? Davy was a great man. A hero of mine. KaЯl wrote: Now, listen: I don't want US to change, but I don't want US impose me their system A house divided against itself cannot stand. It must become all of one thing or all of the other. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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KaЯl wrote: Please, throw your blinkers away and open your mind! How, precisely, does it differ from Marxism? KaЯl wrote: But I know some Americans don't think your way, on the contrary. I've seen it on TV at Seattle, I've listened to it on radio with Rage Against the Machine. The media is blowing it out of proportion. Places like California, Washington,Oregon and New England are about the only areas you will find those groups in sizable proportions. KaЯl wrote: I would make a big mistake to confuse your opinion with the American one, it would be pure anti-americanism If anything, I am very much a moderate compared to most people in the Southern, Midwestern and Western areas of the U.S. The core of the U.S. population remains solidly anti-Socialistic. Violently so. KaЯl wrote: The Davy Crockett complex ? Davy was a great man. A hero of mine. KaЯl wrote: Now, listen: I don't want US to change, but I don't want US impose me their system A house divided against itself cannot stand. It must become all of one thing or all of the other. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Marxism is not democratic, it offers as solution a dictatorship of a class over the society. Marxism implies also that any production mean is controled by the State. Socialists are republican and claim the right to the private property. The break between the two movements was made in France in 1920, after the creation of the Communist Party, and the departure of the ones refusing the conditions of the 3rd internationale (Komintern), then creating the socialist party. IMHO, the best sum-up of ideals of socialism (in the french context) is the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen from The Constitution of 1793[^]. Some woud call that heresy, but it's my opinion. Stan Shannon wrote: The core of the U.S. population remains solidly anti-Socialistic. Violently so. I'm not surprized after 50 years of brainwashing justified by the cold war. Stan Shannon wrote: Davy was a great man. A hero of mine And from french origin ;) Stan Shannon wrote: A house divided against itself cannot stand. It must become all of one thing or all of the other. It does not implies that one has to decide for the others. Otherwise, a lot of people have no place in your world.
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