Does anyone else thinks NUI is not the perfect next step for UIs ?
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You do know that you haven't properly understood what NUI's actually are
Let me tell you, you haven't understood my question. I have no debate against NUI, i have a debate against UI bieng generic and same to everybody. Next time read that message twice before calling it a spam. Because the thing which u don't understand is not always a spam.
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Monster Maker wrote:
i have a debate against UI bieng generic and same to everybody.
I am really glad someone has finally brought this up! When the term natural user interface was coined I was downright perplexed by the fact that it wasn't wholley user-defined (because 'natural' is such a subjective term). This summer, I will begin developing an app that will *try* to realize that goal, but I am inexperienced, so don't get your hopes up too far. Also, LEAP motion won't let me into their developer sdk because I'm so inexperienced. Hopefully, when they start to sell devices in May, they will open up the developer community a bit more.
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I'm curious what planet you live on, is the sky blue like ours?
Are you a computer faculty somewhere? :-D You resemble mine..
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Back in '78
If you are comparing 2013 with 1978, then let me tell you only the sky is blue since then. I am sure respected Dr. Strangelove had no facebook account,nor iphone and was unknown what wonders would be done by visual studio before making that comment. Things have changed from then sir. Learning cobol is far different from learning javascript(you must be knowing) and working on windows-8 is different from mainframe. 8 year infants today know how to configure iphone, where they would find cheats of their games,google can answer them anything. and 1000's of other services they would use in future. Don't you think they deserve to know some more knowledge(not only coding) about OS, so that they can implement their own idea in between something that has become so important part of their lives. As a student we don't like to just sit and see things happening. We got to know some working behind the scenes so that we can manipulate or customize it in our way for our personal use. And don't go back in 78 , think about next 78(2078)
World is short of ideas!
Monster Maker wrote:
Are you a computer faculty somewhere? :-D You resemble mine..
Aw, the inexperience, naivety, and idealism of youth...it is really a good thing to have, but you will start to see patterns as you get older. Patterns like, everyone will soon be a programmer, programming is a dying profession, computers will be programming themselves soon, and my favorite, everything worthwhile has already been programmed.
Monster Maker wrote:
I am sure respected Dr. Strangelove had no facebook account,nor iphone and was unknown what wonders would be done by visual studio before making that comment.
Dr. Strangelove did not make that comment I paraphrased, General Jack D. Ripper did. But you'd know that if you had ever seen the movie.
Monster Maker wrote:
Things have changed from then sir. Learning cobol is far different from learning javascript(you must be knowing) and working on windows-8 is different from mainframe.
Not really. It is still stringing commands for a non thinking entity to follow without question. The syntax is different, but in 20 years or so, someone will tell you the same about JavaScript and whatever is the fad language of the time. Oh, please tell me you're not one of those idiots who pop up every once in a while and say that if it were in your power, you'd eliminate Assembly programming. :-D
Monster Maker wrote:
8 year infants today know how to configure iphone,
Configuring is not programming. My grandchildren have been using computers since they were 2 1/2 (although they don't get the hang of mouse clicking until they were 3 1/2), but none of them had the inclination to become programmers. I still hold out hope for the great grandchildren, but they are not old enough to use computers yet. My children ignored my daily use of computers until they finally saw the light of employment, but they are not programmers, just users. Using a spreadsheet is not programming, even though it does require some rigor in thought. VisiCalc was one of the programs that were cited to me as justification that programmers will soon be obsolete. That, and CASE programming. You don't hear anything about CASE anymore, that was where you were to tell the computer in general terms what you wanted done and then it would write the program for you. Didn't really work out except
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A very powerful message. The trouble is that some computer skills are so basic, they are akin to reading and writing, not akin to becoming a novelist. Learning to communicate with a computer is very akin to learning to communicate by, say, writing a letter. Although people lived their lives without being able to read and write, I think you'd agree that because reading and writing were made part of a basic education, quality of life has had an enormous potential to improve. Making informed decisions is usually preferable to leaving things to chance. The skill of reading brought the knowledge of books to the masses. The skill of communicating with a computer has the potential to allow the masses to discover information, evaluate data, perform their duties with more efficiency than ever before. Also, I find it interesting that a discussion of user interfaces have led to a discussion of whether or not people should know how to code. It would seem that non-computer users cannot differentiate the two. Scary. I wonder too, whether people would question their heart surgeon if he/she tried to use a butter knife. Maybe not. I've learned not to implicitly trust user interfaces. Probably because they don't pay malpractice insurance.
schmidja wrote:
Although people lived their lives without being able to read and write, I think you'd agree that because reading and writing were made part of a basic education, quality of life has had an enormous potential to improve.
No doubt, but most people barely write shopping lists.
schmidja wrote:
The skill of reading brought the knowledge of books to the masses. The skill of communicating with a computer has the potential to allow the masses to discover information, evaluate data, perform their duties with more efficiency than ever before.
I have a low opinion of those people, just try reading comments on news stories or even YouTube. The potential is there, most choose not to use it for good. I must say I've become very cynical and now regard education as a waste for many. They are taught facts, but not how to use them. Hopefully we will grow past that. They used to think television was going to bring education to the masses instead of "reality" shows.
schmidja wrote:
Also, I find it interesting that a discussion of user interfaces have led to a discussion of whether or not people should know how to code. It would seem that non-computer users cannot differentiate the two.
I agree with that. I just wish more people were learning to really program. The last ad my company placed looking for programmers had no respondents. Granted my boss was looking for MS Access programmers, but I would have thought there would have been someone willing to give it a go. P.S. You might enjoy reading my response to Monster Maker's response, I won't come off as such a downer as I seem to have here.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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Monster Maker wrote:
i have a debate against UI bieng generic and same to everybody.
I am really glad someone has finally brought this up! When the term natural user interface was coined I was downright perplexed by the fact that it wasn't wholley user-defined (because 'natural' is such a subjective term). This summer, I will begin developing an app that will *try* to realize that goal, but I am inexperienced, so don't get your hopes up too far. Also, LEAP motion won't let me into their developer sdk because I'm so inexperienced. Hopefully, when they start to sell devices in May, they will open up the developer community a bit more.
Kudos... :-D :) :) Finaly, someone got and noticed what i am trying to say. If people are putting their information on internet(through social networking) then why not use that info and make it more friendly for the people. Even i am starting with an app, which teaches people HTML5 with examples, and the entities in the example in some or the other way will be related to the user. (Like names of their friends,music they listen, names of the places near which they live,etc) I have launched its beta among my college mates and it exploded. Will upload it in android market soon! Now this debate will end their only :-D
World is short of ideas!
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CLI-Command Line interface (Generic) GUI-Graphical User Interface(Generic) NUI-Natural User Interface(almost Generic) From generic what i mean, its almost same for everyone who uses it. Can't we make that thing specific to a type of person who is using it? Please comment on the wild thought:P
World is short of Ideas!