A forgotten point in the project
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To talk to a manager regarding a forgotten point in the project you need to state the following 1. Its cost. 2. The added value by doing it. 3. Your estimation To defend your estimation make it detailed and state that it cannot be done in less than X hrs. During these hrs I’ll do 1 in x1 hrs, 2 in x2 hrs , … Then say : "If you insist on less time then pls approve removing x3 and x4 and you ‘ll gain n hrs"
I don't understand your point. If there was something forgotten in the project I'm not going to argue with my project manager about it. I'm not going to 'defend' anything. This reminds me of one of my first jobs where I was given the task of cleaning out an entire trailer of hazardous waste, some of which had been in the trailer for 20 years. I had to comb through records to determine what stuff was, label it, and properly dispose of it. The projects that had created all the waste were long closed so these enormous charges were all ending up as an overhead expense. I was called into the Vice Presidents office and asked to give an account of all of it. She wanted me to give a justification for what I was doing. Here I am some lowly worker with absolutely no authority being confronted by a VP who was furious at the thousands of dollars my activity was costing her bottom line. All I said was: Well, we could just leave it all there and wait for tightening regulations and inflation to drive the costs of disposal even higher. That was the end of that conversation. It isn't my freakin' fault management allowed these project managers to hide the true cost of the project by stashing waste everywhere. No point in yelling at me about it. Why am I having to catch hell for crap your managers did 20 years ago? I seriously wonder about management at times.
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I don't understand your point. If there was something forgotten in the project I'm not going to argue with my project manager about it. I'm not going to 'defend' anything. This reminds me of one of my first jobs where I was given the task of cleaning out an entire trailer of hazardous waste, some of which had been in the trailer for 20 years. I had to comb through records to determine what stuff was, label it, and properly dispose of it. The projects that had created all the waste were long closed so these enormous charges were all ending up as an overhead expense. I was called into the Vice Presidents office and asked to give an account of all of it. She wanted me to give a justification for what I was doing. Here I am some lowly worker with absolutely no authority being confronted by a VP who was furious at the thousands of dollars my activity was costing her bottom line. All I said was: Well, we could just leave it all there and wait for tightening regulations and inflation to drive the costs of disposal even higher. That was the end of that conversation. It isn't my freakin' fault management allowed these project managers to hide the true cost of the project by stashing waste everywhere. No point in yelling at me about it. Why am I having to catch hell for crap your managers did 20 years ago? I seriously wonder about management at times.
You're correct, but what if the case is that the project is still in work ?
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To talk to a manager regarding a forgotten point in the project you need to state the following 1. Its cost. 2. The added value by doing it. 3. Your estimation To defend your estimation make it detailed and state that it cannot be done in less than X hrs. During these hrs I’ll do 1 in x1 hrs, 2 in x2 hrs , … Then say : "If you insist on less time then pls approve removing x3 and x4 and you ‘ll gain n hrs"
In my estimation, it would be a good idea to include an estimate.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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In my estimation, it would be a good idea to include an estimate.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
do you mean an estimate time for the estimate itself?
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You're correct, but what if the case is that the project is still in work ?
If a project costs $10,000.00 to do and the company is being paid $8,000.00 to do that isn't my problem. The fact that marketing failed, sales failed, management failed, project architects failed, project managers failed - to heap all that on the guy doing the coding is stupid. An upset manager is basically saying: The entire freakin' company screwed up on this one so I'm going to hassle you over your time estimates in an attempt to get you to work tons of unpaid overtime in order to cover the fact that we're staffed with incompetent dolts. Sure, sometimes you can take one for the team just to help out but if it becomes a habit put your resume out there and find someplace else to work. I'm tired of managers who get paid well into six figures but don't do their jobs.
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To talk to a manager regarding a forgotten point in the project you need to state the following 1. Its cost. 2. The added value by doing it. 3. Your estimation To defend your estimation make it detailed and state that it cannot be done in less than X hrs. During these hrs I’ll do 1 in x1 hrs, 2 in x2 hrs , … Then say : "If you insist on less time then pls approve removing x3 and x4 and you ‘ll gain n hrs"
To defend an estimate you should just have a good track record of estimating things correctly, so your manager believes you. If something got missed out of a project then you just need to state the cost of not doing it versus the cost of doing it. But yes it's a good idea to have whatever the solution is split up into sections so you can offer time vs functionality tradeoffs.
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If a project costs $10,000.00 to do and the company is being paid $8,000.00 to do that isn't my problem. The fact that marketing failed, sales failed, management failed, project architects failed, project managers failed - to heap all that on the guy doing the coding is stupid. An upset manager is basically saying: The entire freakin' company screwed up on this one so I'm going to hassle you over your time estimates in an attempt to get you to work tons of unpaid overtime in order to cover the fact that we're staffed with incompetent dolts. Sure, sometimes you can take one for the team just to help out but if it becomes a habit put your resume out there and find someplace else to work. I'm tired of managers who get paid well into six figures but don't do their jobs.
Amen
"The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull
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do you mean an estimate time for the estimate itself?
When the noun "estimation" is used as a possessed thing ("my estimation"/"_your estimatio_n"), it represents a judgmental opinion of the value of something -- "In my estimation, the project is worthless/idiotic".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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When the noun "estimation" is used as a possessed thing ("my estimation"/"_your estimatio_n"), it represents a judgmental opinion of the value of something -- "In my estimation, the project is worthless/idiotic".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I got it, sorry for misunderstanding you.
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If a project costs $10,000.00 to do and the company is being paid $8,000.00 to do that isn't my problem. The fact that marketing failed, sales failed, management failed, project architects failed, project managers failed - to heap all that on the guy doing the coding is stupid. An upset manager is basically saying: The entire freakin' company screwed up on this one so I'm going to hassle you over your time estimates in an attempt to get you to work tons of unpaid overtime in order to cover the fact that we're staffed with incompetent dolts. Sure, sometimes you can take one for the team just to help out but if it becomes a habit put your resume out there and find someplace else to work. I'm tired of managers who get paid well into six figures but don't do their jobs.
ok, but what to do with the 'Broken window' principle that introduced in 'The pragmatic programmer' ?