Definition of respect
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LOL No sweat man! Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
Did you ever get the WWUSD reference I made to one of your posts in the Soapbox? Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Nice topic and excellent post... :) :| ...but good luck trying to get any of the serious anti-Bush and anti-US folk on CP to understand any of this. Their hatred runs deep and your logic means nothing to them. I'm afraid you are fighting a losing battle. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. - Emo Philips
Mike Mullikin wrote: Their hatred runs deep and your logic means nothing to them. I'm afraid you are fighting a losing battle So true. Even facts cannot presuade the "true believer". Let them spit their vitriol. It matters not, they persuade no one that thinks or matters. Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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Nice topic and excellent post... :) :| ...but good luck trying to get any of the serious anti-Bush and anti-US folk on CP to understand any of this. Their hatred runs deep and your logic means nothing to them. I'm afraid you are fighting a losing battle. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. - Emo Philips
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I'm not sure I'm reading you right, but you seemed to contradict yourself. You started with "The basis of respect is often fear." But at the end you seemed to indicate that it wasn't actual respect. Assuming I understood your point (real respect is mutual and not based solely (or mostly) on fear), I would only almost agree. :-) Either way, it is respect. It's just that the kind of respect we want comes from something along the lines of love, while sometimes the kind of respect we get comes from something along the lines of fear. Both are respect, but one motivation is much better than the other. John :D
I'm not sure I'm reading you right, but you seemed to contradict yourself. You started with "The basis of respect is often fear." But at the end you seemed to indicate that it wasn't actual respect. Sorry, I meant to say "what we call respect" is actually fear. Both are respect, but one motivation is much better than the other. I would go as far as to say that respect, if it exists in freedom, has no emotional basis--neither love nor fear. For me, respect is an acknowledgement of the right for something, whether it is a concept, physical thing, or living being, to exist, and of the concept, physical thing or living being to acknowledge the right for the "respector" to exist. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Chris Austin wrote: Dose GWB (the mother of this thread) earn disrespect He doesn't have much respect left to lose...
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Marc, I ask that you think about this thread (at least what I take to be the meaning in separating respect from agreement.) Now I am a conservative person by most people’s standards. That does not mean I respect all of our conservative presidents nor does it mean that I disrespect all of our liberal presidents. For example I did not agree with the general policies of Carter or Clinton. I respect Carter very highly and disrespect Clinton. Why? Carter was a man of high ideals and honesty and has generally lived by them. Clinton went on National TV several times and openly lied to me playing word games on what the legal interpretation of some words were vs what the clearly implied meaning was and he knew it. Like wise Nixon lied to the public about Watergate and earned our disrespect for it. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Not much. But I neither called him silly names nor claimed he was stupid or evil. I regarded him as a person of low moral character, and one willing to deal in half truths and casual lies. A skilled politician, a lousy leader, a poor example for children and probably a dishonest person, but not stupid (and not deserving of much respect). The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause. - Eric Hoffer
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Their hatred runs deep and your logic means nothing to them. I'm afraid you are fighting a losing battle So true. Even facts cannot presuade the "true believer". Let them spit their vitriol. It matters not, they persuade no one that thinks or matters. Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
Rob Graham wrote: Even facts i'm oh-so curious. what are these "facts" you speak of? -c
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Did you ever get the WWUSD reference I made to one of your posts in the Soapbox? Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
No I didn't. Were you disrespecting me :) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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Not much. But I neither called him silly names nor claimed he was stupid or evil. I regarded him as a person of low moral character, and one willing to deal in half truths and casual lies. A skilled politician, a lousy leader, a poor example for children and probably a dishonest person, but not stupid (and not deserving of much respect). The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause. - Eric Hoffer
Rob Graham wrote: But I neither called him silly names nor claimed he was stupid or evil i happen to think GWB is stupid, a dealer of half-truths and a danger to our country and the rest of the world. and, i choose to call him silly names, because that's the kind of person i am: i feel that silly people deserve silly names. -c
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No I didn't. Were you disrespecting me :) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
Chris Austin wrote: No I didn't. Were you disrespecting me :) No. You were posing a question and my smartarse reply (in acronym form) was What Would Uncle Steve Do? Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Chris Austin wrote: Dose GWB (the mother of this thread) earn disrespect by not presenting complete information as to why we are marching to war? IMO no he does not earn disrespect for that. He earns disrespect if he was falsifying the justification for war. Now I have written and asked that the evidence which justifies going to war be presented or if releasing that information is not in the interest of this country then that be noted and the public stance that his administration is taking, be softened to represent what is justified by the publicly known or presented information. The whole point here is even though I do not agree that going to war has been justified and I do not agree with the rhetoric which has been used by him, I still respect him and his right to believe something and politely point out my disagreement. I do not call him some self appointed ruler of the world and expect him to still listen to me. Chris Austin wrote: Further, does he earn disrespect for doing things like this [^]? If the covering of the labels was at his request yes that does earn disrespect. I doubt that who ever set up the props and then said (boy this was stupid, I know how to fix that!) will ever be known. Chris Austin wrote: (the mother of this thread) Yes the mother of the thread was a comment about GWB. But my take is this thread was --> do you just use cheap shots at someone because they disagree with you and not because they have earned disrespect. There are some who because they disagree with someone, they disrespect them and this attitude should be considered. I am grateful that there are far more who even though we disagree with each other do listen to what the other is saying and are still polite. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: do not call him some self appointed ruler of the world and expect him to still listen to me. do you honestly expect him to listen to you, regardless of what names you may or may not have called him? -c
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Chris Austin wrote: No I didn't. Were you disrespecting me :) No. You were posing a question and my smartarse reply (in acronym form) was What Would Uncle Steve Do? Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
LOL!!! I gona have to start watching the re-runs now. One of these days I will hava an answer. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: do not call him some self appointed ruler of the world and expect him to still listen to me. do you honestly expect him to listen to you, regardless of what names you may or may not have called him? -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: do you honestly expect him to listen to you, regardless of what names you may or may not have called him? I expect the probability of someone listing to me when I am polite and respectful to be thousands of times greater than that of someone calling them names. If I read your question right the answer would then be no because I may be someone calling him cheap names and then I would not expect to be listened to. "I will find a new sig someday."
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the office of the president is not the president. i can respect the power of the office, but i don't have to agree with the person weilding that power. in america, citizens have a duty to tell their elected representatives how they feel. anyone refusing to speak their mind on issues shouldn't even be allowed to vote (IMO). John Fisher wrote: If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him and how exactly should i express my discontent with GWB? should i wait until i'm randomly chosen in an ABC news poll? should i send him a nice letter : "Dear GWB, you were not elected Ruler Of the World - get your mind back on your own country. Thanks, Chris." John Fisher wrote: Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? and you seem to be saying that we should agree with him and kowtow to his imperialistic whims simply because he was appointed president. i'll take vigourous criticism over blind faith any day - especially when, IMO, the country's future is at stake. -c
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You're putting me to sleep. :zzz::zzz:
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You're putting me to sleep. :zzz::zzz:
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Chris Losinger wrote: do you honestly expect him to listen to you, regardless of what names you may or may not have called him? I expect the probability of someone listing to me when I am polite and respectful to be thousands of times greater than that of someone calling them names. If I read your question right the answer would then be no because I may be someone calling him cheap names and then I would not expect to be listened to. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I expect the probability of someone listing to me when I am polite and respectful to be thousands of times greater than that of someone calling them names. and do you seriously think that if I was going to write GWB a letter that i would start it off with "Dear Idiot" ? to complain that people call GWB names here is silly. this is a forum on a programming web site, not the mailing list for the Who's Who of Washington DC. -c
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You need your mommy there with you Chris. I'll settle for my wife. ;P
Jason Henderson
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You need your mommy there with you Chris. I'll settle for my wife. ;P
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: I'll settle for my wife don't let her hear you "settled" for her. :) -c
ILockBytes
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Jason Henderson wrote: I'll settle for my wife don't let her hear you "settled" for her. :) -c
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:-O I won't if you don't.
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