Definition of respect
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
John Fisher wrote: Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Well speeding is a lack of respect to everyone else on the road. It gets to be disrespect when officers set up speed traps (where you get a ticket for barely geting over the speed limit). But when the officer gives you a ticket falsely it gets to be a pain in the ass for the courts to handle every single case (causing ineffecientces) -Steven CP Addict Hows that for discussion :P
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
You talk about respecting what someone does as opposed to respecting them as individuals here. Just a comment. Elaine The tigress is here :-D
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John Fisher wrote: Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Well speeding is a lack of respect to everyone else on the road. It gets to be disrespect when officers set up speed traps (where you get a ticket for barely geting over the speed limit). But when the officer gives you a ticket falsely it gets to be a pain in the ass for the courts to handle every single case (causing ineffecientces) -Steven CP Addict Hows that for discussion :P
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404Browser (Efficient, Fast, Secure Web Browser): 404Browser.comSteven Hicks wrote: Hows that for discussion Good stuff.... If I understood you right! ;) John :D
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You talk about respecting what someone does as opposed to respecting them as individuals here. Just a comment. Elaine The tigress is here :-D
Actually, I intended to mix the two together. Someone _is_ a human, but someone _holds_ a position (or does a job). Both influence the relationship and the kind of respect that comes into play, right? Good comment. :-D John :D
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
the office of the president is not the president. i can respect the power of the office, but i don't have to agree with the person weilding that power. in america, citizens have a duty to tell their elected representatives how they feel. anyone refusing to speak their mind on issues shouldn't even be allowed to vote (IMO). John Fisher wrote: If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him and how exactly should i express my discontent with GWB? should i wait until i'm randomly chosen in an ABC news poll? should i send him a nice letter : "Dear GWB, you were not elected Ruler Of the World - get your mind back on your own country. Thanks, Chris." John Fisher wrote: Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? and you seem to be saying that we should agree with him and kowtow to his imperialistic whims simply because he was appointed president. i'll take vigourous criticism over blind faith any day - especially when, IMO, the country's future is at stake. -c
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
John Fisher wrote: Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). I agree, some (several?) consistently use cheap insults vs. spending the time to understand why others feel the way they do and then politely explain why they disagree with that viewpoint or alternately state why. There are several levels of respect, 1) they are a person and have as much right to an opinion as you do to 2) A person whom you highly honor for their (condition varies) that you find extraordinary. You earn my disrespect when you justify your opinion by deliberately falsifying information of others or miss quoting others. Be that taking sentences out of context or worse taking only part of a sentence which then reads totally differently. "I will find a new sig someday."
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
Good topic John. I'd like to add to your Police analogy. And, these are just my views on the matter. It is not the officer that I respect or hold in reverence but rather the sprit of the law itself. If I find that the officer respects the sprit of the law then, he will earn my respect. On the other hand, if this officer shows no respect to his own position (pulling me over falsely) he will lose my respect. In this case I would (have) let him know in a civil manner as well as file a complaint and try to publicy have him removed from his position. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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John Fisher wrote: Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Well speeding is a lack of respect to everyone else on the road. It gets to be disrespect when officers set up speed traps (where you get a ticket for barely geting over the speed limit). But when the officer gives you a ticket falsely it gets to be a pain in the ass for the courts to handle every single case (causing ineffecientces) -Steven CP Addict Hows that for discussion :P
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404Browser (Efficient, Fast, Secure Web Browser): 404Browser.comSteven Hicks wrote: Well speeding is a lack of respect to everyone else on the road. It gets to be disrespect when officers set up speed traps (where you get a ticket for barely geting over the speed limit). :) I find this oddly contradictory. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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Steven Hicks wrote: Well speeding is a lack of respect to everyone else on the road. It gets to be disrespect when officers set up speed traps (where you get a ticket for barely geting over the speed limit). :) I find this oddly contradictory. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
Note the adjective.. barely. -Steven CP Addict
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Note the adjective.. barely. -Steven CP Addict
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404Browser (Efficient, Fast, Secure Web Browser): 404Browser.comI was being facetious Steven. Hence the smiley. :) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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John Fisher wrote: Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). I agree, some (several?) consistently use cheap insults vs. spending the time to understand why others feel the way they do and then politely explain why they disagree with that viewpoint or alternately state why. There are several levels of respect, 1) they are a person and have as much right to an opinion as you do to 2) A person whom you highly honor for their (condition varies) that you find extraordinary. You earn my disrespect when you justify your opinion by deliberately falsifying information of others or miss quoting others. Be that taking sentences out of context or worse taking only part of a sentence which then reads totally differently. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: You earn my disrespect when you justify your opinion by deliberately falsifying information of others or miss quoting others. Well said Michael. I hope this is not out of context :). Now to play a bit of devils advocate. Dose GWB (the mother of this thread) earn disrespect by not presenting complete information as to why we are marching to war? Further, does he earn disrespect for doing things like this [^]? Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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Good topic John. I'd like to add to your Police analogy. And, these are just my views on the matter. It is not the officer that I respect or hold in reverence but rather the sprit of the law itself. If I find that the officer respects the sprit of the law then, he will earn my respect. On the other hand, if this officer shows no respect to his own position (pulling me over falsely) he will lose my respect. In this case I would (have) let him know in a civil manner as well as file a complaint and try to publicy have him removed from his position. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
Agreeing with the full intent of your message, I just want to add that while the police officer does lose your respect, he doesn't lose _all_ of your respect. You still treat him somewhat deferrentially because of the position he holds (as derived from the law). :) John :D
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Agreeing with the full intent of your message, I just want to add that while the police officer does lose your respect, he doesn't lose _all_ of your respect. You still treat him somewhat deferrentially because of the position he holds (as derived from the law). :) John :D
John Fisher wrote: You still treat him somewhat deferrentially because of the position he holds (as derived from the law). No, I would view him in utter disdain (as I do most politicans). However, I will continue to treat him civily because that is how to best get him punished or removed. And, if he were to continue to abuse his position I would most certainly begin to show my disdain in a less civil manner. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
The basis of respect is often fear. In both your bear and your "bear" analogies, people respond out of fear. You almost had it right: we should treat each other in a civil manner . In your example, the bear doesn't respect you. In the cop example, most people fear cops because they don't feel the "system" respects them and their needs, and cops are the vehicle the system uses to enforce "respect". That's another basis for respect--the implication of force if respect is not given. This is easily demonstrated--if you don't respect the cop, he's going to use force on you. Respect is only truly respect when it is mutual AND it is given freely. Anything else you may think is respect, but isn't. It's an illusion. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: You earn my disrespect when you justify your opinion by deliberately falsifying information of others or miss quoting others. Well said Michael. I hope this is not out of context :). Now to play a bit of devils advocate. Dose GWB (the mother of this thread) earn disrespect by not presenting complete information as to why we are marching to war? Further, does he earn disrespect for doing things like this [^]? Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
Chris Austin wrote: Dose GWB (the mother of this thread) earn disrespect He doesn't have much respect left to lose...
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the office of the president is not the president. i can respect the power of the office, but i don't have to agree with the person weilding that power. in america, citizens have a duty to tell their elected representatives how they feel. anyone refusing to speak their mind on issues shouldn't even be allowed to vote (IMO). John Fisher wrote: If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him and how exactly should i express my discontent with GWB? should i wait until i'm randomly chosen in an ABC news poll? should i send him a nice letter : "Dear GWB, you were not elected Ruler Of the World - get your mind back on your own country. Thanks, Chris." John Fisher wrote: Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? and you seem to be saying that we should agree with him and kowtow to his imperialistic whims simply because he was appointed president. i'll take vigourous criticism over blind faith any day - especially when, IMO, the country's future is at stake. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: in america, citizens have a duty to tell their elected representatives how they feel. anyone refusing to speak their mind on issues shouldn't even be allowed to vote (IMO). I agree 100% (weird, huh?) ;) Chris Losinger wrote: the office of the president is not the president. i can respect the power of the office, but i don't have to agree with the person weilding that power I'm with you there, too. Chris Losinger wrote: and how exactly should i express my discontent with GWB? I can't say that I've got anywhere near all the answers here, but the constitution has provided ways like protesting, petitions, etc. The other big one that people don't normally consider is to obtain a government office themselves. (Yeah, that's not normally practical, but it is one of the proper avenues.) Chris Losinger wrote: and you seem to be saying that we should agree with him and kowtow to his imperialistic whims simply because he was appointed president Since I've tried to make it clear that respecting someone doesn't equal anything near total agreement with them, what is it that I said which makes you think that? Chris Losinger wrote: i'll take vigourous criticism over blind faith any day Me too. It's just that you've been vigorous in a way that could keep your point from being as powerful as other less negative and vociferous methods. John :D
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The basis of respect is often fear. In both your bear and your "bear" analogies, people respond out of fear. You almost had it right: we should treat each other in a civil manner . In your example, the bear doesn't respect you. In the cop example, most people fear cops because they don't feel the "system" respects them and their needs, and cops are the vehicle the system uses to enforce "respect". That's another basis for respect--the implication of force if respect is not given. This is easily demonstrated--if you don't respect the cop, he's going to use force on you. Respect is only truly respect when it is mutual AND it is given freely. Anything else you may think is respect, but isn't. It's an illusion. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaI'm not sure I'm reading you right, but you seemed to contradict yourself. You started with "The basis of respect is often fear." But at the end you seemed to indicate that it wasn't actual respect. Assuming I understood your point (real respect is mutual and not based solely (or mostly) on fear), I would only almost agree. :-) Either way, it is respect. It's just that the kind of respect we want comes from something along the lines of love, while sometimes the kind of respect we get comes from something along the lines of fear. Both are respect, but one motivation is much better than the other. John :D
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It appears that my comments in a previous thread made a few people upset.:eek: As far as I could tell, it revolves directly around the idea of "respect". Who is supposed to get it and why? Some of the people who responded to my posts appear to believe that respect is only for people you like or agree with. Where did this definition of respect come from? Respect is/has always been a simple concept: treat someone properly in reference to the relationship between you. For example: I'm a human, you're a human -- we should treat each other in a civil manner (think Golden Rule). Another example: A bear comes after me. I run out of respect for the danger he poses, but I don't have the same respect for him as I would for a non-threatening human. In the bear's case, if he were to indicate his desire to remain a threat, yet temporarily lose his ability to harm me, my logical choice would be to hurt him at least enough to scare him off. All this, while respecting the bear -- treating him properly in reference to the relationship between us. Another one: Police officers have the authority to do stop us when we are speeding. Respect for their position means that we pull over and submit to their questioning, etc. If this officer happens to have pulled me over falsely, my best course of action is to respectfully accept the ticket then speak with the people in authority over him (possibly in court) to address the problem. This is all while respecting the officer. If I didn't respect him, I'd do something like scream insults at him or punch him -- which would only make things worse for me. Anyway, I just thought this would be at worst a thread that promotes lots of discussion... :~ :-O John :D
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I was being facetious Steven. Hence the smiley. :) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.
We really need a hits forhead emoicon :P LOL -Steven CP Addict
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