Visual Studio 2013, ALM, and DevOps

Pete OHanlon

Bad news. Microsoft are moving to a yearly release cycle for products.

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Rob Grainger

I seem to remember Microsoft promising a new focus on native developers, and incremental releases with improved C++ 11 support. Now I know that was just marketing bs. I think it's finally time to abandon native development for Windows using MS tools. With GCC not feature complete, and CLang (which works better on Windows) hot on its heels there are better alternatives. Now I just need a decent Windows IDE for C++ development.

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Rob Grainger

I guess they may anticipate their revenue stream may be drying up with the "success" of Win 8 ;)

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Why not Visual Studio itself and hijack the build process[^]?

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Marc Clifton

Matthew Faithfull wrote:

Once again you said it so I don't have to.

Does that mean I'm the voice of all curmudgeonous CPians? :) Marc

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Matthew Faithfull

I wouldn't go that far. I don't think they're measuring curmugeonousness on the Clifton scale (logarithmic at weekends, exponential on weekdays, hyberbolic on bank holidays) just yet but perhaps the Wikipedia update just hasn't passed the censors yet ;)

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Dan Neely

Rob Grainger wrote:

I seem to remember Microsoft promising a new focus on native developers, and incremental releases with improved C++ 11 support.
Now I know that was just marketing bs.

So because Soma made one post about VS features that aren't related to language capabilities it means there won't be any of them added in VS13??? :confused:

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Marc Clifton

Matthew Faithfull wrote:

the Clifton scale (logarithmic at weekends, exponential on weekdays, hyberbolic on bank holidays)

I'll have to remember that one! :-D Marc

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George H Slaterpryce III

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A .NET memory dump analyzer, which enables developers to easily explore .NET objects in a memory dump and to compare two memory dumps in pursuit of finding and fixing memory leaks. What??? .NET has memory leaks??? Wasn't that supposed to have been solved??? And, OMG, I'm back into the days of 6502 assembly language programming, poring over memory dumps. w-T-f.

HAHAHAHA! Nailed it.

Rob Grainger

Actually, I was referring to the promise to ship regular updates to VS2012 as they implemented language features. Grand total shipped = zero. Now, we're expected to pay for those updates as part of VS2013. Even then I'd be surprised if its C++11 feature complete. By comparison GCC is feature complete, and CLang is feature complete in beta. Both also have started tracking the work on what will probably be C++14. So I have to conclude that Microsoft really aren't concerned with tracking the standard anymore.

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