Linux Rules!!!
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
Good lord, who let the Slashbots out?
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
IMHO, Linux is great for servers and dedicated machines, such as MP3 boxes - because it is completely customisable - you can recompile the kernel with just what you need and get the size really small and you can set the box up *EXACTLY* as you want. But I think it has quite a way to go until it replaces the general workstation or home pc. Regards, Peter Pearson
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Let's make a small discussion out of this one; I have developed for many platforms, including both Windows and Linux. Both platforms have their specific charmes, but I think Windows makes the life of a developer a hell of a lot easier then Linux (or any other unix-wannabe out there). I do agree that, before Windows 2000 came out, Linux was one of the most stable platforms I knew (Although BeOS is in my opinion a little bit more stable). It's a shame the boot-process takes so long, but otoh Windows doesn't boot that fast as well. Actually, why I don't Linux is not because of the platform itself, but the people who have helped creating it, and/or are developing for this platform. They somehow seem to have the insane idea they are creating things no-one has ever done before. And what's this 'opensource'-hype? Ofcourse it's natural you share some of your code with others, and ofcourse you help another developer in need, but why would you want to tell the whole world about that? There are numerous of things I could talk about comparing both platforms (e.g. speed) but I'm actually really curious why you think Linux rules?
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
So you think that Linux is better than Windows. OK. Then use Linux, Apache, Java, MySQL, PHP, etc... All this is high quality (without any sarcasm) software. It's your opinion and your choice. Period. You don't like Microsoft, you think that Microsoft is only good in stealing software, and that Microsoft don't care about customers. OK. It is your opinion. You are free to think so. Period. If you want to argument about what OS, or what software, is better, then please post concrete technical(!) arguments. For example, if you think that Linux has better implementation of, say, TCP/IP than Windows 2000, then show us solid analysis that prove this. If you want discuss then show concrete, practical, arguments. If you just repeat, and repeat slogans like 'Linux si better!!!', then about what we should discuss? SlavoF "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." --Confucius
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
I total agree with you Salvo I think Mr. Khawaja should give us some more specific arguments. Najmul, Open-source linux developers, although maby more numerous, are not the only open-source developers out there! Just look at this site, there is a great number of open-source and free software for windows. Most of the big name open-source products, Mozilia, OpenOffice, PHP and even apache have windows versions. Linux and windows are two diffrent platforms for two diffrent types of people. There are goods and bads about both. Win2000 server may be better for big sites like the CodeProject, while Apache is free and good for amatures and small busines. Apache still has professinal applications though along with linux. Maby MS does steal technology, but in the entire history of computers, 'stealing' is not someting that only MS does! Steve Jobs got the whole GUI scoop from Xerox many years ago, then gates took it from him. Linux has its bugs along with windows. Red Hat makes mistakes too. There are known bugs in Linux. Some of these bugs are mistakes by the developers. This is 'human error', no? :confused: -- Martin
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
You have to remember that Microsoft only gets bad publicity because it is highly sucessfull. If Linux was as sucessfull, and had the same 'slot' in the public eye, you can bet for sure thet all the 'born' anti-Linux guys/gals like you out there would find just as many problems/holes/etc in Linux as the reverse have for Windows and other Microsoft products (strange how it seems most visruses that attack Windows were created on non Winodws platforms - I can see the reverse happening if/when Linux/others catch on more). The other reason of course is that nobody, not even me, likes parting with hard earned cash, no matter what it is for. I suspect that this is the real reason why people say Linux is better than Windows. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers That is certainly not true. Microsoft invest more money each year in there research and devlopment department than on the software devlopment side. They have made technological breakthroughs to imporve your, and everyone elses, lives. Speech reocgnition technologies have improved based on Microsft's research. Accessibility standards have been set. Microsoft has a very, very, very, large role in the technology industry, not just relating to their software. Saying that Microsoft don't care about consumers is like saying God doesn't care about his people. And, if the Microsoft Windows product had not appeared when it did, computers today would certainly not be in as many households or businesses. Microsoft brought a user-friendly interface to computers, and set the standard (ok, they might have been 'influenced', but who isn't) for all the new emerging OS's today. And again, in answer to your statement above (as I'm sure you will try to defend it), Why are you prepared to put up with frequent crashes (some system) using Netscape/Mozilla, yet whine and moan because Windows crashes once a week? I am assuming you are using Netscape/Mozilla as you said you were an anti-Microsoft guy.
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
You have to remember that Microsoft only gets bad publicity because it is highly sucessfull. If Linux was as sucessfull, and had the same 'slot' in the public eye, you can bet for sure thet all the 'born' anti-Linux guys/gals like you out there would find just as many problems/holes/etc in Linux as the reverse have for Windows and other Microsoft products (strange how it seems most visruses that attack Windows were created on non Winodws platforms - I can see the reverse happening if/when Linux/others catch on more). The other reason of course is that nobody, not even me, likes parting with hard earned cash, no matter what it is for. I suspect that this is the real reason why people say Linux is better than Windows. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers That is certainly not true. Microsoft invest more money each year in there research and devlopment department than on the software devlopment side. They have made technological breakthroughs to imporve your, and everyone elses, lives. Speech reocgnition technologies have improved based on Microsft's research. Accessibility standards have been set. Microsoft has a very, very, very, large role in the technology industry, not just relating to their software. Saying that Microsoft don't care about consumers is like saying God doesn't care about his people. And, if the Microsoft Windows product had not appeared when it did, computers today would certainly not be in as many households or businesses. Microsoft brought a user-friendly interface to computers, and set the standard (ok, they might have been 'influenced', but who isn't) for all the new emerging OS's today. And again, in answer to your statement above (as I'm sure you will try to defend it), Why are you prepared to put up with frequent crashes (some system) using Netscape/Mozilla, yet whine and moan because Windows crashes once a week? I am assuming you are using Netscape/Mozilla as you said you were an anti-Microsoft guy.
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Linux rules what? Are you refering to the world of weird techies (i.e. geeks, nerds, or whatever you want to call them) who like to be able to edit there OS, so created over 150 deritaves which are non-compatible. Just imagine if HTML was the same, wouldn't you just love having to develop for 150 different browsers? Linux may be all very good for small-medium web servers, but for the home user it will never be. Remember that most home users are computer-dumb, and need an easy to use and inituative OS to sue their computers. Inituative (spelt wrong) - you have heard that word before haven't you? It means not taking the Unix source code and trying to copy Windows with it.
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
I myself have never used Linux. All that I know about it is second hand information. From reading some of the posts here I gether that Linux gives that user the ability to alter the OS to their preference. In my eyes this is a plus. For the everage used I suppose this wouldn't be important, but it isn't necessary to alter the OS in order to use it. But for those of us that would use such functionality it is good to have. My second point is on the open-source. I think someone here said they didn't understand why they would want to do this. I think the main reson for this is so that everyone can contribute and eventually make Linux the best OS. This practice is one of the things that I respect most about Linux because it shows a commitment to the users and not to the money. Of course I respect MS as well. From a business standpoint there is no one that I respect more. I don't believe in businesses working for the consumers. The point of a business is to make money and there is no reason to get upset at them for that. This isn't to say that we have to like, just that we should understand. Next comes the issue of MS doing research to further develope the industry. This reminds me of the saying "it takes money to make money." By developing new technologies, MS isn't trying to further the industry, it is planning for its own future. If they don't develope something like voice recognition someone else will and then MS will be left out. This is the mistake they made with the Internet. They only recovered from that mistake because of the shear brute force they were able to apply. Personally I dislike MS's software. It does crash a lot and to me this means that they didn't put enough effort into it. Secondly, its way too big. The Windows folder on my computer is 719 MB. I've used three computers in my life and the other two didn't have hard drives that big. I think that MS has used the increase of technology to become lazy. Now that most computers are at least 10GB, an OS of 1GB isn't a big problem. I could probably say a lot more, but this is where I'll stop for now.
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I myself have never used Linux. All that I know about it is second hand information. From reading some of the posts here I gether that Linux gives that user the ability to alter the OS to their preference. In my eyes this is a plus. For the everage used I suppose this wouldn't be important, but it isn't necessary to alter the OS in order to use it. But for those of us that would use such functionality it is good to have. My second point is on the open-source. I think someone here said they didn't understand why they would want to do this. I think the main reson for this is so that everyone can contribute and eventually make Linux the best OS. This practice is one of the things that I respect most about Linux because it shows a commitment to the users and not to the money. Of course I respect MS as well. From a business standpoint there is no one that I respect more. I don't believe in businesses working for the consumers. The point of a business is to make money and there is no reason to get upset at them for that. This isn't to say that we have to like, just that we should understand. Next comes the issue of MS doing research to further develope the industry. This reminds me of the saying "it takes money to make money." By developing new technologies, MS isn't trying to further the industry, it is planning for its own future. If they don't develope something like voice recognition someone else will and then MS will be left out. This is the mistake they made with the Internet. They only recovered from that mistake because of the shear brute force they were able to apply. Personally I dislike MS's software. It does crash a lot and to me this means that they didn't put enough effort into it. Secondly, its way too big. The Windows folder on my computer is 719 MB. I've used three computers in my life and the other two didn't have hard drives that big. I think that MS has used the increase of technology to become lazy. Now that most computers are at least 10GB, an OS of 1GB isn't a big problem. I could probably say a lot more, but this is where I'll stop for now.
Your arguments are a bit silly really. Your argument that MS takes advantage of newer computer resources is the silliest of all. What if MS (and every other company) decided that they should stick with the 8088 and 1.2MB floppy disk as the lowest common denominator. We wouldn't have 1/1000th of the cool stuff we have today. I agree with you that business are in business to make money. But part of that is taking advantage of what comes along. Yes, programmers have gotten lazy, but then that allows them to create so much more, now that they don't have to worry about register allocation and pushing and popping values off the stack. Humans are the worst. Our brains are 1000's of times larger than birds, yet we pretty much do most of the same things. Eat, excrete, reproduce, and build things.
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Microsoft Sucks. Linux is better. This is true. period. When was the last time a linux company made a "Humman error" (Is what chris maunders calls this incident). Microsoft makes obvious "human" errors. Microsoft needs to turn the company around if it wants respect from me and average consumers. All microsoft is good for is stealing products (JAVA) and modifiying them to create $$$. All microsoft cares about is $$$ not the poor consumers. Linux is better!! If you have arguments you are welcome to e-mail me at najmul@angelfire.com ;)
yes it does ... on the 10% of computers that run it i'll stick with making my living on the 80%+ computers that run windows in one form or another thanks maybe www.religious-wars-for-operating-systems.com is a better place for your views on such subjects? yada yada mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them
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Let's make a small discussion out of this one; I have developed for many platforms, including both Windows and Linux. Both platforms have their specific charmes, but I think Windows makes the life of a developer a hell of a lot easier then Linux (or any other unix-wannabe out there). I do agree that, before Windows 2000 came out, Linux was one of the most stable platforms I knew (Although BeOS is in my opinion a little bit more stable). It's a shame the boot-process takes so long, but otoh Windows doesn't boot that fast as well. Actually, why I don't Linux is not because of the platform itself, but the people who have helped creating it, and/or are developing for this platform. They somehow seem to have the insane idea they are creating things no-one has ever done before. And what's this 'opensource'-hype? Ofcourse it's natural you share some of your code with others, and ofcourse you help another developer in need, but why would you want to tell the whole world about that? There are numerous of things I could talk about comparing both platforms (e.g. speed) but I'm actually really curious why you think Linux rules?
>It's a shame the boot-process takes so long, but otoh Windows doesn't boot that fast as well. First of all, I don't want to start a flame-war, so please don't start flaming as I try only to tell you my experiences nothing more, no statement pro/cons GNU/Linux or Win2K here, that's not my point. I think that everyone is free to use what fits his needs best. There is no universal tool for all problems. Free Software means free choice too. So, although Win2K is not free everyone is free to use it, that's nothing I can decide for others. I'd like to show you my Debian GNU/Linux box at home which boots faster than any Linux-distribution out there and also faster than Win2000 on that machine. It's just a matter of configuration. The normal RedHat out-of-the-box tries like Windows to detect a lot a hardware and does a lot a stuff one doesn't need but others might need so it loads them. I am sure that one can tune his Win2K box to boot significantly faster too. That's the only reason why my box boots really, really, fast. Believe it or not.
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Good lord, who let the Slashbots out?
Somebody forgot to lock the cage after feeding time, methinks :rolleyes:. Seriously, though - isn't this infantile? I can see no merit in postings like this: informed debate is one thing, but this is just childish. Come on guys, grow up. Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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