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  • F Forogar

    I used to work for someone (I can't tell you who) where my security clearance level needed a security clearance on almost the same level to even know what level it was. Needless to say, back then, if I wrote a cheque, never mind any code, it was classified! Today I work for the medical profession and the security is almost as tight but there is only one level of security, the "don't tell anyone anything" level!

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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    Lost User
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    Ok I get the need for security clearances and all, but

    Forogar wrote:

    my security clearance level needed a security clearance on almost the same level to even know what level it was

    isn't that a little silly?

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      Ok I get the need for security clearances and all, but

      Forogar wrote:

      my security clearance level needed a security clearance on almost the same level to even know what level it was

      isn't that a little silly?

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      Matthew Faithfull
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      I met a guy once who couldn't ever tell anyone what he had been doing because there was no one left alive with the security clearance for him to be able to ask them if it was OK to talk about it now or not. :wtf:

      "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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      • V Vasily Tserekh

        Yes but do the interviewers really care about that?

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        Chris Maunder
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        Yes, and if they don't then get a job elsewhere. Coding is done by people who want a paycheck and by people who love coding. Sometimes both. Writing an article says that you care about coding, you're proud of what you do, and you're confident in your skills and open to review, criticism and looking to constantly improve. It says you're good and you want to get even better. Show off your articles in you resume and make sure your potentially employer is someone who also cares about software development.

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        • M Matthew Faithfull

          I met a guy once who couldn't ever tell anyone what he had been doing because there was no one left alive with the security clearance for him to be able to ask them if it was OK to talk about it now or not. :wtf:

          "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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          H Brydon
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          ... at least that's what he told you.

          -- Harvey

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          • M Matthew Faithfull

            I met a guy once who couldn't ever tell anyone what he had been doing because there was no one left alive with the security clearance for him to be able to ask them if it was OK to talk about it now or not. :wtf:

            "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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            Forogar
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            Is that because he killed them all?

            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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            • V vonb

              Forogar wrote:

              I can't tell you who

              Can I guess? NSA?? :)

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              Forogar
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              Yes, you can guess. Not the NSA, I am British... oops, perhaps I said too much, now I will have to kill you...not that we do that anymore... I mean, not that we ever did that kind of thing.

              - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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              • N Nish Nishant

                Marc A. Brown wrote:

                Glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this! :laugh:

                Wow, so you got lucky that you somehow managed to be reading this during that rare time of the week when you are sober! ;P

                Regards, Nish


                Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview

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                Marc A Brown
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                Yeah, right. :)

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                • L Lost User

                  Ok I get the need for security clearances and all, but

                  Forogar wrote:

                  my security clearance level needed a security clearance on almost the same level to even know what level it was

                  isn't that a little silly?

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                  Forogar
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                  You think that is silly... Within the first six months on the job I wrote report on something and it was classified. I wanted to update it a little later but was not cleared to read it - even though I wrote it! I had to wait for my positive vetting process to complete, which increased my clearance enough for me to read (and update) the report I wrote.

                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                  • F Forogar

                    Yes, you can guess. Not the NSA, I am British... oops, perhaps I said too much, now I will have to kill you...not that we do that anymore... I mean, not that we ever did that kind of thing.

                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                    vonb
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                    Forogar wrote:

                    Not the NSA, I am British

                    OK, now I know. Wont cite it: collegue from James Bond then?

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                    • V vonb

                      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                      The sourcecode isn't part of the "banking secret", is it?

                      For the applications I am working on it mostly is: some contains the cryptographic parts (not the entire key, but part of it), and other "critical internal work flow / document flow" info. If that goes out then.. the guy whoe sent it out will have some big trouble. It's a kind of insider knowledge.

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                      Lost User
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                      vonb wrote:

                      If that goes out then.. the guy whoe sent it out will have some big trouble.

                      Again, that goes for most shops. Imagine your entire medical history on the street - with some famous ambassadors on that list - would amount to big trouble too. The reason I'm hammering on it is because a bank is not more special than, say, a pension fund, a hospital or a nuclear plant. The only thing that makes it "special" is the attitude that says "wee bee special".

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                      • V vonb

                        Forogar wrote:

                        Not the NSA, I am British

                        OK, now I know. Wont cite it: collegue from James Bond then?

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                        Forogar
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                        All I will say is that my employee number ended in "...0007". Actually this is true, is was a running joke. I was "Triple-oh-seven".

                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        • H H Brydon

                          ... at least that's what he told you.

                          -- Harvey

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                          Matthew Faithfull
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                          Indeed and how would I ever find out otherwise :~

                          "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                          • F Forogar

                            Is that because he killed them all?

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            Matthew Faithfull
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                            Obviously he couldn't say. If he did then it looks like he'll get away with it.

                            "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                            • V Vasily Tserekh

                              Hi folks, Hi bots, Hi people that live here. I have a little question, can I place the articles written on codeproject as a part of my resumee or not. HAve you ever did something like that? best regards

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                              Marc Clifton
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                              Vasily Tserekh wrote:

                              can I place the articles written on codeproject as a part of my resumee or not.

                              I'm assuming you're talking about articles YOU wrote? For my online resume, I have a link to the "articles by Marc Clifton" page. For my paper resume, I merely state, "Written over 150 articles for the Code Project." ;) Marc

                              Unit Testing Succinctly

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                              • V Vasily Tserekh

                                Yes but do the interviewers really care about that?

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                                Gary Wheeler
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                                At least one does. I had an interview last fall where the interviewer made a point of mentioning he read my two articles.

                                Software Zen: delete this;

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                                • F Forogar

                                  All I will say is that my employee number ended in "...0007". Actually this is true, is was a running joke. I was "Triple-oh-seven".

                                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                  vonb
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                                  Ok, now I have understood. Because I am the new "M", man kind, and I just renewed your license to kill. If you want to find me I sleep inside a nice bunker of the bank, its nearly impossible to enter :laugh: :laugh:

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                                  • V Vasily Tserekh

                                    Yes but do the interviewers really care about that?

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                                    Stefan_Lang
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                                    Many actively search for traces of your work without you supplying the link. Recruiters are known to check social sites, and search the web for the existance of a blog or similar that bears your name. I wouldn't put it beyond them to check developer sites such as CP or stackoverflow, too. So, if you like to be proactive and provide a link yourself, I can't see why that would be a bad thing. ;-)

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