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enhzflep

So, as many readers are probably aware there have been quite a few developments in the NSA/Snowden saga this week. Among some of the highlights are a 30 year old security consultant's challenge to the NSA chief's assertion that they stand for freedom. The chief was booed, as was he implored to read the constitution by hackers at the BlackHat 2013 conference, held in Vegas. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57596420-83/hackers-to-nsa-chief-read-the-constitution/[^] Another point raised time and time again is the abject failings of the US, both in Hong Kong and Russia to correctly fill out paperwork in order to effect the extradition of Snowden. In the case of the Hong Kong chapter of the saga, local authorities claimed to have left Snowden get away because the US did not provide his passport number, messed up his name, and didn’t send any evidence for the charges. :oops: :doh: When it comes to the Russian chapter, it seems that the Russians assert that it is in fact the US that has refused to be signatories on a bilateral extradition treaty. :oops: :doh: Snowden's lawyer has had his share of things to say, claiming that (a) there has not been an official request for his extradition and (b) there have been no reasons given for the revocation of his passport. I'm still trying to stop laughing at(with) the summary I read at Softpedia[^] - "It seems like the United States keeps trying to get its hands on Snowden without any real paperwork. And then they wonder why most don’t believe the NSA actually bothers with legal warrants before spying on someone." Beats a Heinekin Ad Bond movie any day!

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin

Lost User

So you believe the communists, both Chinese and Russian, over the USA? Obviously, you're a terrorist of some sort.

enhzflep

:laugh: You forgot the joke icon mate. Could you direct me to the US challenges to the assertions made by the Chinese and Russian authorities, such that I can consider their position. At the moment, I'm not aware of any rebuttal to the claims made by either nation for the reasons he was not held. With that in mind, it's entirely one sided - there is no US position to even consider, much less believe, in preference to what has been asserted by the two nations. :rolleyes:

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin

Lost User

enhzflep wrote:

You forgot the joke icon mate.

Security is no joke, my poor communist friend.

enhzflep wrote:

Could you direct me to the US challenges to the assertions made by the Chinese and Russian authorities, such that I can consider their position.

Our rebuttle will likely be in the form of missiles, tanks, and hand grenades. Words are the weapons of pinkos, liberals, and pot smokers.

enhzflep wrote:

At the moment, I'm not aware of any rebuttal to the claims made by either nation for the reasons he was not held. With that in mind, it's entirely one sided - there is no US position to even consider, much less believe, in preference to what has been asserted by the two nations.

I could direct you to the thorough, impeccably written re-buttles to the lies you've been reading but chances are your government blocks access to those sites. In the event that the tin-horn dictator in the banana republic from which you hail is overthrown I'll be sure to have the US Government rain down some pamphlets for you to read.

enhzflep

See, your first response was somewhat funny. This one, not so. I just going to have to call 'bullsh1t' on the 1st sentence of your last paragraph. If you've the evidence, post it. Otherwise, the only reponse I feel you deserve is the first three letters of your username. Stop talking out of the thing you sit on. Pssst: You hyphenation and misspelling of the word rebuttals doesn't exactly serve you well when you're trying to be clever. :laugh:

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin

Lost User

enhzflep wrote:

I just going to have to call 'bullsh1t' on the 1st sentence of your last paragraph. If you've the evidence, post it.

The evidence is pretty obvious if you think about it. Take for example the fact that... 3_241-Interceptor-ScubID: 3331 This message has been scrubbed of information deemed a threat to the People's Banana Republic of where ever the hell enhzflep lives. -- ztectc:forward -> done._ So in closing, you can see that the USA has been in the right all along and that the huge international conspiracy threatening freedom is really nothing but a fountain of lies. Glad I could help. -MehGerbil

Big Daddy Farang

Thanks for your efforts. By the way, are you hearing the "whoosh"-ing sound also, or is it just me?

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enhzflep

I'll pay that attempt at humour. I think you tell jokes nearly as poorly as I do, but it does seem like a reasonable attempt. :thumbsup: And to think, I was just getting ready to tell you to go make babies with yourself. ;P

MehGerbil wrote:

People's Banana Republic of where ever the hell enhzflep lives

Actually, it's within 750 meters of here. It's really a very nice place for a stroll with one's significant other - or to fly an r/c plane. :-\ If you're ever in the neighbourhood... Wilson Botanic Park, Berwick, Victoria Aus - Banana Republic[^]

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin

Forogar

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huge international conspiracy threatening freedom

Are we talking about Apple again? Just wondering... I like bananas but not republics, so where do I go?

- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

jschell

enhzflep wrote:

that it is in fact the US that has refused to be signatories on a bilateral extradition treaty. :oops:

Since the US tends to stick rather carefully to treaties that it signs and at least attempts to maintain the spirit of such treaties there are in fact quite a few treaties that the US refuses to sign. Given the current state of the legal system in Russia any treating asserting legal options is at best a waste of time and at worst could lead to some extremely bad results.

enhzflep

Hmm. Interesting perspective. You and I have discussed things here in the past, often your comments have provided an insight I've not had before and in many others, the impetus to do a little more research. A discussion relating to marriage comes to mind. I've had a different perspective and opinion on the particular matter ever since. Thanks. :thumbsup: If you're inclined, I'd be really interested to hear what kind of extremely bad results you envisage.

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin

jschell

enhzflep wrote:

what kind of extremely bad results you envisage.

Possible examples... Russia currently jails political activists that they take exception to. They could and probably already do criminalize internet political content that they object to. Note that the view often is that the crime occurs where it is read and not where it is produced. That later point is something that occurs in many places and even has had cases in the US over that. So an American citizen could create, in the US, web content that leads Russia to charge them with a crime. Because it is a criminal charge Russia could ask for extradition. Or... It certainly appears that Russia's criminal system is corrupt to quite a degree. So almost any criminal act with any basis could be levied against a US citizen. Extradition could probably proceed so long as Russia could show the US citizen had been on Russian soil anywhere. Again this is not without precedent in the world including the US. See "Dmitry Sklyarov" for an example where the US misused the law against a citizen of another country mainly to gain leverage for other reasons.

enhzflep

Ooo. That certainly adds a level of complexity I'd been far too unsophisticated to consider. That's quite the tricky situation with regards to the view that the crime occurs at the end-point, rather than the creation point. That's a truly nasty potential consequence of an extradition treaty. Goes off to look-up 'Dmitry Skylarov'. Again, thanks for your time and effort to drag a banana-republic convict out of the dark ages. :laugh: It's really appreciated. My 5.:thumbsup:

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin