Plumbing has been Plumbed
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No need to make a thread of this - just a courtesy to those who offered suggestions. Yesterday I crawled through the crawl space with a complete plan:
- Feed Polyethylene tube downward through nice new holes I drilled in cabinet and floor. Tape end closed to keep out filth
- Cut copper feed to refrigerator but leave end sticking through floor.
- Put on Head Lamp, Knee Pads, Shower Cap
- Creep under house into moist fiberglass hell and locate poly tube.
- Grab hose and follow old copper line to where it goes up through floor
- Pull out copper and push through poly.
- Using plastic ferrules and brass inserts, put on compression fittings; Attach to fridge, Water Faucet
- Done - worked first time, too!
- Take Shower - Needed badly
This wasn't Rocket Surgery - but planning every step before starting does work. Thanks to all for the suggestions -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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No need to make a thread of this - just a courtesy to those who offered suggestions. Yesterday I crawled through the crawl space with a complete plan:
- Feed Polyethylene tube downward through nice new holes I drilled in cabinet and floor. Tape end closed to keep out filth
- Cut copper feed to refrigerator but leave end sticking through floor.
- Put on Head Lamp, Knee Pads, Shower Cap
- Creep under house into moist fiberglass hell and locate poly tube.
- Grab hose and follow old copper line to where it goes up through floor
- Pull out copper and push through poly.
- Using plastic ferrules and brass inserts, put on compression fittings; Attach to fridge, Water Faucet
- Done - worked first time, too!
- Take Shower - Needed badly
This wasn't Rocket Surgery - but planning every step before starting does work. Thanks to all for the suggestions -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
A small but crucial question. Is this new pipe now located between the fiberglass and house or between fiberglass and ground?
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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A small but crucial question. Is this new pipe now located between the fiberglass and house or between fiberglass and ground?
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Ahh - between the fiberglass and the ground. It passes through the insulation layer at both ends. The fiberglass hell is the (new) insulation hanging from the newly laid sub-floor. It was put up badly and, on top of that, attracts a huge amount of moisture. It's basically soaked. Since I live on what is essentially a sandbar, this is not going to get any better. It's another serious problem I have to take care of - probably all of it will need to be removed and replaced with plastic foam. Oddly, I don't remember if I had insulation under the house before the flood. All plumbing, however, is between the floor and the ground.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Ahh - between the fiberglass and the ground. It passes through the insulation layer at both ends. The fiberglass hell is the (new) insulation hanging from the newly laid sub-floor. It was put up badly and, on top of that, attracts a huge amount of moisture. It's basically soaked. Since I live on what is essentially a sandbar, this is not going to get any better. It's another serious problem I have to take care of - probably all of it will need to be removed and replaced with plastic foam. Oddly, I don't remember if I had insulation under the house before the flood. All plumbing, however, is between the floor and the ground.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
between the fiberglass and the ground
Then pray it doesn't freeze.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The fiberglass hell is the (new) insulation hanging from the newly laid sub-floor. It was put up badly and, on top of that, attracts a huge amount of moisture. It's basically soaked
That' needs to be addressed fairly soon, otherwise you're going to live in a mouldy house. Well there are (atleast) three ways of getting wet insulation. 1. You have a water leak. 2. The indoor temperature is higher than the outdoor temperature and the house has a higher indoor air pressure than the outside and the more humid indoor air condensates in the insulation 3. Number two reversed
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
between the fiberglass and the ground
Then pray it doesn't freeze.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The fiberglass hell is the (new) insulation hanging from the newly laid sub-floor. It was put up badly and, on top of that, attracts a huge amount of moisture. It's basically soaked
That' needs to be addressed fairly soon, otherwise you're going to live in a mouldy house. Well there are (atleast) three ways of getting wet insulation. 1. You have a water leak. 2. The indoor temperature is higher than the outdoor temperature and the house has a higher indoor air pressure than the outside and the more humid indoor air condensates in the insulation 3. Number two reversed
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Pipe freezing isn't a problem in our area (at least during the past ca 20 years) - although I'm wondering if that will change if I keep the floor insulation (if I had none in the past). This is a sea-side area, which somewhat moderates the winter temperatures but supplies way too much ground moisture. Now I have yet another scenario to consider. When the house was flooded, however, I did turn off the water main and drain the pipes. Wet fiberglass: At first I thought it may be a pipe - but it's to widespread and in cases away from all pipes. Checking on line, I immediately got a hit for crawl spaces, such as mine, exhibiting this problem. It occurs to me, in light of the concept of pipe-freezing, that I may need to just pay and have the insulation removed.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Pipe freezing isn't a problem in our area (at least during the past ca 20 years) - although I'm wondering if that will change if I keep the floor insulation (if I had none in the past). This is a sea-side area, which somewhat moderates the winter temperatures but supplies way too much ground moisture. Now I have yet another scenario to consider. When the house was flooded, however, I did turn off the water main and drain the pipes. Wet fiberglass: At first I thought it may be a pipe - but it's to widespread and in cases away from all pipes. Checking on line, I immediately got a hit for crawl spaces, such as mine, exhibiting this problem. It occurs to me, in light of the concept of pipe-freezing, that I may need to just pay and have the insulation removed.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Do you normally have air-condition on in your house? Do you have an extractor fan or a chimney on the house? Then the pressure is lower than on the outside and the humid air in the crawlspace is slowly sucked into the insulation and cooled to the indoor temperature where it condensates. Reversing the air pressure might turn out to be the cheapest solution.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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No need to make a thread of this - just a courtesy to those who offered suggestions. Yesterday I crawled through the crawl space with a complete plan:
- Feed Polyethylene tube downward through nice new holes I drilled in cabinet and floor. Tape end closed to keep out filth
- Cut copper feed to refrigerator but leave end sticking through floor.
- Put on Head Lamp, Knee Pads, Shower Cap
- Creep under house into moist fiberglass hell and locate poly tube.
- Grab hose and follow old copper line to where it goes up through floor
- Pull out copper and push through poly.
- Using plastic ferrules and brass inserts, put on compression fittings; Attach to fridge, Water Faucet
- Done - worked first time, too!
- Take Shower - Needed badly
This wasn't Rocket Surgery - but planning every step before starting does work. Thanks to all for the suggestions -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Nice work! Now that you've successfully pulled that one off, want to join me in pouring and finishing 120 sf of concrete slab Thursday morning? I've done all the planning... :rolleyes:
Will Rogers never met me.
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No need to make a thread of this - just a courtesy to those who offered suggestions. Yesterday I crawled through the crawl space with a complete plan:
- Feed Polyethylene tube downward through nice new holes I drilled in cabinet and floor. Tape end closed to keep out filth
- Cut copper feed to refrigerator but leave end sticking through floor.
- Put on Head Lamp, Knee Pads, Shower Cap
- Creep under house into moist fiberglass hell and locate poly tube.
- Grab hose and follow old copper line to where it goes up through floor
- Pull out copper and push through poly.
- Using plastic ferrules and brass inserts, put on compression fittings; Attach to fridge, Water Faucet
- Done - worked first time, too!
- Take Shower - Needed badly
This wasn't Rocket Surgery - but planning every step before starting does work. Thanks to all for the suggestions -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
but planning every step before starting does work.
We have a term we use to plan time critical work. "Pit-Stopping" (as in motor sports) Analyse every step and remove all work outside the time critical window where possible, get all tools inplace, materials and people.
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Do you normally have air-condition on in your house? Do you have an extractor fan or a chimney on the house? Then the pressure is lower than on the outside and the humid air in the crawlspace is slowly sucked into the insulation and cooled to the indoor temperature where it condensates. Reversing the air pressure might turn out to be the cheapest solution.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Normally not air-conditioned: we just put in one but haven't used it. House has chimney - but this is no longer operational as the current heating and hot water are demand systems with their own input and exhaust pipes. When I looked this phenomenon up, it's apparently a standard grief for fiberglass in a crawl-space. As for moisture getting in: the crawlspace floor is sand and a good part of the way to the local tidal-flow ground water. Furthermore, there are vents to the street for this area, keeping pressure balanced. Solutions proposed were vapor barrier(s) and very large dehumidifiers (40 l/day). These solutions don't seem that great, and, if the dehumidifier is always running, rather costly. Pretty much I'm going to call in a professional insulation firm and ask for options (Foam Sheet? Nothing?).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Nice work! Now that you've successfully pulled that one off, want to join me in pouring and finishing 120 sf of concrete slab Thursday morning? I've done all the planning... :rolleyes:
Will Rogers never met me.
I've got one about the same size to do myself, and the only way to get the concrete to the rabbit is by barrowing it through the house, across a solid cherry-wood floor that I only installed a short while ago. What I really need help with, though, is the methodology to employ to stop women having "good ideas".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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No need to make a thread of this - just a courtesy to those who offered suggestions. Yesterday I crawled through the crawl space with a complete plan:
- Feed Polyethylene tube downward through nice new holes I drilled in cabinet and floor. Tape end closed to keep out filth
- Cut copper feed to refrigerator but leave end sticking through floor.
- Put on Head Lamp, Knee Pads, Shower Cap
- Creep under house into moist fiberglass hell and locate poly tube.
- Grab hose and follow old copper line to where it goes up through floor
- Pull out copper and push through poly.
- Using plastic ferrules and brass inserts, put on compression fittings; Attach to fridge, Water Faucet
- Done - worked first time, too!
- Take Shower - Needed badly
This wasn't Rocket Surgery - but planning every step before starting does work. Thanks to all for the suggestions -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Well done! But really, this kind of thing is easy you know. :) (I replemmed my entire house recently, hot and cold water pipes. I used all copper, soldered, since I dont trust PVC.)
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I've got one about the same size to do myself, and the only way to get the concrete to the rabbit is by barrowing it through the house, across a solid cherry-wood floor that I only installed a short while ago. What I really need help with, though, is the methodology to employ to stop women having "good ideas".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
What I really need help with, though, is the methodology to employ to stop women having "good ideas".
Apart from the attempt to distract them with a shoe catalog, no no there isn't
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Well done! But really, this kind of thing is easy you know. :) (I replemmed my entire house recently, hot and cold water pipes. I used all copper, soldered, since I dont trust PVC.)
I much prefer doing the electrical work (father was electrician). Plumbing? I do it because it's too expensive to have done. Nothing big. The job was, as you noted, very simple. It was the stinkin' location and doing it alone. I don't mind running gas lines (I used to do that in lab all the time: Copper, Stainless, Glass). More power to you for doing that size of a job. Suddenly I feel like a wimp.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I've got one about the same size to do myself, and the only way to get the concrete to the rabbit is by barrowing it through the house, across a solid cherry-wood floor that I only installed a short while ago. What I really need help with, though, is the methodology to employ to stop women having "good ideas".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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No need to make a thread of this - just a courtesy to those who offered suggestions. Yesterday I crawled through the crawl space with a complete plan:
- Feed Polyethylene tube downward through nice new holes I drilled in cabinet and floor. Tape end closed to keep out filth
- Cut copper feed to refrigerator but leave end sticking through floor.
- Put on Head Lamp, Knee Pads, Shower Cap
- Creep under house into moist fiberglass hell and locate poly tube.
- Grab hose and follow old copper line to where it goes up through floor
- Pull out copper and push through poly.
- Using plastic ferrules and brass inserts, put on compression fittings; Attach to fridge, Water Faucet
- Done - worked first time, too!
- Take Shower - Needed badly
This wasn't Rocket Surgery - but planning every step before starting does work. Thanks to all for the suggestions -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Done - worked first time, too!
Always better when planned out! Congrats
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Normally not air-conditioned: we just put in one but haven't used it. House has chimney - but this is no longer operational as the current heating and hot water are demand systems with their own input and exhaust pipes. When I looked this phenomenon up, it's apparently a standard grief for fiberglass in a crawl-space. As for moisture getting in: the crawlspace floor is sand and a good part of the way to the local tidal-flow ground water. Furthermore, there are vents to the street for this area, keeping pressure balanced. Solutions proposed were vapor barrier(s) and very large dehumidifiers (40 l/day). These solutions don't seem that great, and, if the dehumidifier is always running, rather costly. Pretty much I'm going to call in a professional insulation firm and ask for options (Foam Sheet? Nothing?).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
If it is getting wet then keep an eye out for Mold. We have that problem in the small towwn where I am in the mid west. Water table is high and crawl spaces flood during the heavy rains so vapor bariers are worthless as the water just sets on top of them. Not sure if it would work/help tacked to the floor joist instead of laid on the ground like it normaly is. But it sure would be tough to get it up there to try by yourself.
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Well done! But really, this kind of thing is easy you know. :) (I replemmed my entire house recently, hot and cold water pipes. I used all copper, soldered, since I dont trust PVC.)
Erudite_Eric wrote:
since I dont trust PVC.
Did it lie to you once? :-\
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If it is getting wet then keep an eye out for Mold. We have that problem in the small towwn where I am in the mid west. Water table is high and crawl spaces flood during the heavy rains so vapor bariers are worthless as the water just sets on top of them. Not sure if it would work/help tacked to the floor joist instead of laid on the ground like it normaly is. But it sure would be tough to get it up there to try by yourself.
Yes - we were very lucky with respect to mold (after Sandy). We didn't get most of our floors (and all of our walls) demolished until ca. Dec 25th - but no mold (almost two months after the flood). Supposedly, we were sprayed when the reconstruction started, but I think it was a half-assed job, at best. Others were not so lucky when they opened their walls. There was some online info suggesting putting the vapor barrier up on the top, below the insulation - with slits to allow for drainage. Doesn't seem like a good solution. Some suggested both. A vapor barrier above the insulation would work - but not really viable. Drainage is good through the sand under our house - another reason not to block it off with plastic sheets. As for doing by myself: one reason the crawl-space adventures had to be so carefully planned is that I have limited mobility in my neck due to arthritis: I travel by crooking my head in a weird angle - picking a target, and heading that way, then repeat loop until destination reached. Working on is intrinsically a looking-up scenario adds to the fun. Same reason I don't fix my own car anymore. Like all things, one adapts. It may well be that I'll end up having it all removed. Perhaps it was always that way - because it was the only sensible solution. Foam panels would be good (and certainly neater). They're coming to inspect/give quotes on Friday - I'll see if I can get more than one place to come (perhaps sooner, too). If only I'd won the lottery . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Yes - we were very lucky with respect to mold (after Sandy). We didn't get most of our floors (and all of our walls) demolished until ca. Dec 25th - but no mold (almost two months after the flood). Supposedly, we were sprayed when the reconstruction started, but I think it was a half-assed job, at best. Others were not so lucky when they opened their walls. There was some online info suggesting putting the vapor barrier up on the top, below the insulation - with slits to allow for drainage. Doesn't seem like a good solution. Some suggested both. A vapor barrier above the insulation would work - but not really viable. Drainage is good through the sand under our house - another reason not to block it off with plastic sheets. As for doing by myself: one reason the crawl-space adventures had to be so carefully planned is that I have limited mobility in my neck due to arthritis: I travel by crooking my head in a weird angle - picking a target, and heading that way, then repeat loop until destination reached. Working on is intrinsically a looking-up scenario adds to the fun. Same reason I don't fix my own car anymore. Like all things, one adapts. It may well be that I'll end up having it all removed. Perhaps it was always that way - because it was the only sensible solution. Foam panels would be good (and certainly neater). They're coming to inspect/give quotes on Friday - I'll see if I can get more than one place to come (perhaps sooner, too). If only I'd won the lottery . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I can understand why you wouldn't want to have to crawl around down there. Several years ago I did a complete furnace/air and ductwork replacement. They were supposed to do the job but had to pull out after the last minuet for a bigger job they couldn't refuse for the state. So I spent several days pulling out the old furnace/AC and duct work and fitting the duct work out a small access panel in a small closet. Then several more days reparing the floor where the AC had gotten the floor wet and installing the new duct work. I let them talk me into using the duct work that had the (special) insulation inside. It only took a few minuets after starting up the system to realize the mistake but had no choice, and they assuerd me it was what they put in every where and it would not be a problem. A few years or more later I had to have them come back out and replae it again because the insulation inside was getting moisture and developed mold. He didn't believe me untill he cut a hole in the duct work and seen for himself. So I had to pay twice for the duct work. Bottom line Never put insulation of any kind in the ductwork ,it breaks down and can develope mold.
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I've got one about the same size to do myself, and the only way to get the concrete to the rabbit is by barrowing it through the house, across a solid cherry-wood floor that I only installed a short while ago. What I really need help with, though, is the methodology to employ to stop women having "good ideas".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Holy crap! Don't you have a side yard or something? Run it through the neighbor's yard, maybe? I know it isn't cheap, but I'd suggest buying plastic carpet runner to cover the path from front door to back, then top that with cheap, thick indoor/outdoor carpet to protect the cherry wood. That's beautiful wood, and just hard enough to make it a bitch to restore if you mar it. As for quashing her tendency to spawn "good" ideas, you could try scoffing and mockery, but that could lead to unintended consequences. Perhaps the best you can do is to keep her from telling you about them, traditionally achieved by putting something in her mouth every time she's about to spout another one. Good luck with that... ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
