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Is Dawkins Right?

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  • J Joezer BH

    You said to ask the owner. Well, ask the owner. ** About the plain[^]

    It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

    ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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    Lost User
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    Well, airplanes have owners.

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    • N Nicholas Marty

      One argument: If you don't understand why something is happening and say/believe it is the will of god(s) why should you want to find reasons for that? If you don't understand something and you don't believe in gods and if you're curious (that makes a difference) this will eventually let you dig deeper into science to find reasons why something might happen. Religious institutions like the christian church have been proved wrong many times and have been showing to be brakes for inventions and science. Thank god (oh the irony :D) that it hasn't that great an influence anymore (at least in western europe, I don't know how this is in other countries/continents) Religion has done more harm than good in my opinion (think of all the wars fought in the name of one god or another). We would probably be better of without any religion at all Note: I did not intend to offend anyone who might be religious. This is merely my opinion.

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      Religious institutions like the christian church have been proved wrong many times

      How so?

      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      • L Lost User

        I'm ready to surrender to my new atheist overlords.

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        Joezer BH
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        :thumbsup: Surrender to the atheist overlords, ahmm ... that's an interesting thought. There's a catch though - since they are atheists, remember that you can't believe them too. So in your case, just stay in constant denial.

        It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

        ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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        • L Lost User

          Well, airplanes have owners.

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          Joezer BH
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          That is usually true Harold, should be replied to the post who suggested it, look it up a couple of replies ...

          It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

          ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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          • L Lost User

            Well, airplanes have owners.

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            Joezer BH
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            That is usually true.

            It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

            ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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            • L Lost User

              inb4 shitstorm. edit: so can a mod move it already?

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              Joezer BH
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              5ed! How'd you know? looks like if it wasn't for me, it'd be rather quiet...

              It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

              ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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              • J Joezer BH

                5ed! How'd you know? looks like if it wasn't for me, it'd be rather quiet...

                It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                It always happens eventually..

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                • J Joezer BH

                  - You are definitely a nice secular chap Nicholas, how can someone be offended by you? - Many things that do not exist can be proven not to exist, by contradiction [^] - E.G. there was a prophecy that Babylon, once destroyed will never be built again. Now, this prophecy, hold till now. And many (along some 2,300 years!), have tried rebuilding it, one of which was the late Saddam Hussein. It still lays in ruins. You are welcome to try building it, to prove the prophecy wrong. - I guess I am the outsider now (look at all the hostile posts) :sigh:

                  It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                  ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                  Nicholas Marty
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                  Proof by contradiction: So you can say, because a women gives birth to a child (and thus a human beeing) it can't be god wo gives life to humans? :D Hm. Don't know about babylon. But why can't you build there? What EXACTLY prevented people from building there? Ah I guess in IT there are just too many logical (or rational ;)) minds ;P And bringing arguments against religion is a lot of fun :D (Because you will almost never agree with each other, other than that you do not agree. So you can stretch the argument again and again)

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                  • J Joezer BH

                    :thumbsup: Surrender to the atheist overlords, ahmm ... that's an interesting thought. There's a catch though - since they are atheists, remember that you can't believe them too. So in your case, just stay in constant denial.

                    It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                    ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                    Lost User
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                    I wish I had the necessary IQ to understand what you wrote. Maybe I can get a scientist in a lab coat to explain it to me.

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                      Proof by contradiction: So you can say, because a women gives birth to a child (and thus a human beeing) it can't be god wo gives life to humans? :D Hm. Don't know about babylon. But why can't you build there? What EXACTLY prevented people from building there? Ah I guess in IT there are just too many logical (or rational ;)) minds ;P And bringing arguments against religion is a lot of fun :D (Because you will almost never agree with each other, other than that you do not agree. So you can stretch the argument again and again)

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                      Joezer BH
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                      - According to "religion" parents make the shell (body) god gives the context (spirit, soul, mind, etc) - Don't know what's prevented them. But that's just the fact - Saddam had even installed sings saying "The descendant of mighty Nebuchadnezzar will rebuild these ruins of Babylon" and construction started. He is however busy with other stuff right now... - Yep :)

                      It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                      ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        Well, he doesn't have imaginary friends either! See Here[^]

                        --------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

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                        Septimus Hedgehog
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                        There are many morons who believe and there are many morons who don't. I don't really see the connection between belief and intelligence.

                        If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                          I wish I had the necessary IQ to understand what you wrote. Maybe I can get a scientist in a lab coat to explain it to me.

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                          Joezer BH
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                          Let's all pray that one (randomly) comes soon enough.

                          It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                          ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                          • J Joezer BH

                            - According to "religion" parents make the shell (body) god gives the context (spirit, soul, mind, etc) - Don't know what's prevented them. But that's just the fact - Saddam had even installed sings saying "The descendant of mighty Nebuchadnezzar will rebuild these ruins of Babylon" and construction started. He is however busy with other stuff right now... - Yep :)

                            It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                            ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                            Nicholas Marty
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                            Maimonides wrote:

                            According to "religion" parents make the shell (body) god gives the context (spirit, soul, mind, etc)

                            This could start a whole new argument (the existence of a soul). I could argue that you're mind is made from your DNA and from your experiences and that there is no such thing as soul or spirit (other than strong alcoholic beverages ;P)

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                            • S Septimus Hedgehog

                              There are many morons who believe and there are many morons who don't. I don't really see the connection between belief and intelligence.

                              If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                              Joezer BH
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                              What's up with your shrinking name Les?

                              It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                              ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                Maimonides wrote:

                                According to "religion" parents make the shell (body) god gives the context (spirit, soul, mind, etc)

                                This could start a whole new argument (the existence of a soul). I could argue that you're mind is made from your DNA and from your experiences and that there is no such thing as soul or spirit (other than strong alcoholic beverages ;P)

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                                Joezer BH
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                                That is true. Other may argue that the fact that you can argue is a proof you have something higher. Of course if you give them enough "spirit" they will revoke those argues and just keep a large grin on their faces. :)

                                It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                • J Joezer BH

                                  - According to "religion" parents make the shell (body) god gives the context (spirit, soul, mind, etc) - Don't know what's prevented them. But that's just the fact - Saddam had even installed sings saying "The descendant of mighty Nebuchadnezzar will rebuild these ruins of Babylon" and construction started. He is however busy with other stuff right now... - Yep :)

                                  It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                  ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                  Lost User
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                                  I have a hypothesis about where the soul comes from: People want it to exist. They want their consciousness to be special somehow, not just the product of an elaborate electrochemical computer. They want it to be a separate thing, usually so they can then go on to say that it's immortal somehow. Because they're scared of death.

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                                    I have a hypothesis about where the soul comes from: People want it to exist. They want their consciousness to be special somehow, not just the product of an elaborate electrochemical computer. They want it to be a separate thing, usually so they can then go on to say that it's immortal somehow. Because they're scared of death.

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                                    Joezer BH
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                                    People want it to exist

                                    Where does this will come from?

                                    It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                    ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                    • J Joezer BH

                                      What's up with your shrinking name Les?

                                      It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                      ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                      Septimus Hedgehog
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                                      Purgatory! I went through a phase of being lambasted for posting duplicate thread topics. I was obliged to declare myself unclean, dead and/or alive, hence Leslie Nielsen, and I'm contracting the name. When I reach the point of singularity I will start expanding again but who knows where that will lead? I don't really know myself. ;)

                                      If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                                      • T Tim Carmichael

                                        From 'Posting Rules for the Lounge': 4. No politics (including enviro-politics[^]), no sex, no religion. This is a community for software development. There are plenty of other sites that are far more appropriate for these discussions. Or if you must, use the Back Room[^] - but enter at your own risk.

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                                        Keith Barrow
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                                        Yep. I actually answered, thinking it was in the SB, realised it wasn't then deleted my answers. Needs to be moved.

                                        PB 369,783 wrote:

                                        I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Well, he doesn't have imaginary friends either! See Here[^]

                                          --------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

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                                          Not even going there, not in the lounge.

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