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    Paul Riley
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    Clearly surreal humour appeals to you, I don't think you'll be disappointed. Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
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      Okay, I'm not sure how international this is, so I'll just explain a little. There's a very common nursery rhyme that I'm pretty sure most of you will know. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall Humpty Dumpty had a great fall All the King's horses and all the kings men Couldn't put Humpty together again So what can we deduce from this rhyme? We know that Humpty sat on a wall, we also know that he had a great fall. We don't know whether the two events are related, but it does seem to be implied. We know that the cavalry tried and failed to put him back together. I'm not sure what the horses were trying to do without opposible thumbs, but whatever it was they didn't manage it. But where in here does it say that Humpty Dumpty was an egg? As far as I can remember, I've always simply known it. I know I'm not the only one because I'm reading Robert Rankin's "Hollow Chocolate Bunnies of the Apocolypse" and that has loads of eggy references related to Humpty. But why? I'm sure if I fell off a big enough wall, especially back in the days when the king had horses and men, that no one (least of all the horses with no opposible thumbs) would be able to put me together again. Now I may be a little over-weight, but I'm not even remotely egg-shaped. So again, from where did the idea that Humpty Dumpty was an egg come? Does anyone know? Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
      Racing around to come up behind you again
      The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
      Shorter of breath, one day closer to death       - Pink Floyd, Time

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      Ed Gadziemski
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      So again, from where did the idea that Humpty Dumpty was an egg come? Alice In Wonderland by Lewis Carroll?

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        So again, from where did the idea that Humpty Dumpty was an egg come? Alice In Wonderland by Lewis Carroll?

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        Humpty was in Wonderland? That I didn't know. It's distinctly possible you're right. Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
        Racing around to come up behind you again
        The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
        Shorter of breath, one day closer to death         - Pink Floyd, Time

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        • P Paul Riley

          Humpty was in Wonderland? That I didn't know. It's distinctly possible you're right. Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
          Racing around to come up behind you again
          The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
          Shorter of breath, one day closer to death           - Pink Floyd, Time

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          Shog9 0
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          Paul Riley wrote: Humpty was in Wonderland? Actually, in Through the Looking Glass[^]. :)

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          Shog9 I see the way the salesmen stare into the sun I stood and watched them as they fell off one by one...

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          • P Paul Riley

            Okay, I'm not sure how international this is, so I'll just explain a little. There's a very common nursery rhyme that I'm pretty sure most of you will know. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall Humpty Dumpty had a great fall All the King's horses and all the kings men Couldn't put Humpty together again So what can we deduce from this rhyme? We know that Humpty sat on a wall, we also know that he had a great fall. We don't know whether the two events are related, but it does seem to be implied. We know that the cavalry tried and failed to put him back together. I'm not sure what the horses were trying to do without opposible thumbs, but whatever it was they didn't manage it. But where in here does it say that Humpty Dumpty was an egg? As far as I can remember, I've always simply known it. I know I'm not the only one because I'm reading Robert Rankin's "Hollow Chocolate Bunnies of the Apocolypse" and that has loads of eggy references related to Humpty. But why? I'm sure if I fell off a big enough wall, especially back in the days when the king had horses and men, that no one (least of all the horses with no opposible thumbs) would be able to put me together again. Now I may be a little over-weight, but I'm not even remotely egg-shaped. So again, from where did the idea that Humpty Dumpty was an egg come? Does anyone know? Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
            Racing around to come up behind you again
            The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
            Shorter of breath, one day closer to death             - Pink Floyd, Time

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            Some explanations are here[^]. Beware: this page was created by an AOL subscriber. The tale of Charles I being deposed is the one I'd always thought was the origin - but who knows? cheers, Chris Maunder

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Some explanations are here[^]. Beware: this page was created by an AOL subscriber. The tale of Charles I being deposed is the one I'd always thought was the origin - but who knows? cheers, Chris Maunder

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              Here we go again... ask a silly question, get a really interesting (if bloody hard to read) answer! I'm impressed. Doesn't explain the egg link but it does give some indication that I was right to wonder if Humpty was an egg or not. Has to be said that of the three, the first one sounds more likely to me. The second one is too ridiculous (as I believe Richard III was never really a hunchback, just portrayed that way to make him look more evil) and the last one far too cryptic. Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
              Racing around to come up behind you again
              The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
              Shorter of breath, one day closer to death               - Pink Floyd, Time

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                Paul Riley wrote: Humpty was in Wonderland? Actually, in Through the Looking Glass[^]. :)

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                Shog9 I see the way the salesmen stare into the sun I stood and watched them as they fell off one by one...

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                Did not know that either. Never really got around to reading Lewis Carroll. Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
                Racing around to come up behind you again
                The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
                Shorter of breath, one day closer to death                 - Pink Floyd, Time

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                • P Paul Riley

                  Did not know that either. Never really got around to reading Lewis Carroll. Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
                  Racing around to come up behind you again
                  The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
                  Shorter of breath, one day closer to death                   - Pink Floyd, Time

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                  Shog9 0
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                  Paul Riley wrote: Never really got around to reading Lewis Carroll. 's good stuff! If you've kids, reading the Alice stories to them can be great for keeping them interested while not boring yourself. And who doesn't like to recite Jabberwocky? :)

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                  Shog9 I see the way the salesmen stare into the sun I stood and watched them as they fell off one by one...

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                  • P Paul Riley

                    peterchen wrote: Even if you don't remember having seen one of the pictures before knowing HuDu is an egg, it's very likely you did Sure, I understand that's how I know it. But how did those artists know it? Where did the idea originate? peterchen wrote: It's not necessary that the picture was associated with the name "Humpty Dumpty". The connection is made through the "fragile object sitting on a wall", and emphasized by the most common type of drawing, which is often used for medieval scenes (think kings and horses) Okay, you lost me now. Are you suggesting that people drew eggs on walls with horses and men in a medieval scenario for no reason whatsoever? They've never heard Humpty Dumpty, but they sit down and think "Okay, medieval theme, we'll have some horses, some soldiers on them, a nice wall back here, and what would a good medieval picture be without an egg? peterchen wrote: OK, nice to see you. that's $40. Trying to say something? ;P Paul And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
                    Racing around to come up behind you again
                    The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
                    Shorter of breath, one day closer to death                     - Pink Floyd, Time

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                    Paul Riley wrote: Trying to say something? No, he's trying to bill you. ;) -- Ignorant people upsets me.

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