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Is Microsoft an organization under extreme stress?

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  • P patbob

    Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes recently. It appears to be completely out of touch with its customers (Win8 UI, Windows RT, Xbox One, Win 8.1 start button, etc.), and its alienating its developers (Windows phone, XNA, Win8.1 RTM TechNet/MSDN access, etc.). Does anyone else out there think they're watching an entire organization that's making major, potentially business-killing mistakes, because its an organization under extreme stress? In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today, and might be interested in running in the future. Given what I've observed of them recently, and especially the Win 8.1 RTM/MSDN fiasco, I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

    We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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    Lost User
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    In a David & Goliath scenario the stone plays a major role; however, the relationship between a large body and gravity is also important. Keep yourself nimble and the inevitable stone won't prevent you from making a soft landing.

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    • P patbob

      Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes recently. It appears to be completely out of touch with its customers (Win8 UI, Windows RT, Xbox One, Win 8.1 start button, etc.), and its alienating its developers (Windows phone, XNA, Win8.1 RTM TechNet/MSDN access, etc.). Does anyone else out there think they're watching an entire organization that's making major, potentially business-killing mistakes, because its an organization under extreme stress? In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today, and might be interested in running in the future. Given what I've observed of them recently, and especially the Win 8.1 RTM/MSDN fiasco, I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

      We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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      Roger Wright
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      Microsoft has generally been completely out of touch with users for about 30 years now, but being a virtual monopoly, they know we will adapt to their inept methods rather than attempt to learn a real operating system. You might remember Vista, or ME, or even Bob; any other company depending for survival on revenues earned from any of those products would have long ago ceased to exist. Adapt, conform, be assimilated - you'll survive. So will Microsoft...

      Will Rogers never met me.

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      • P patbob

        Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes recently. It appears to be completely out of touch with its customers (Win8 UI, Windows RT, Xbox One, Win 8.1 start button, etc.), and its alienating its developers (Windows phone, XNA, Win8.1 RTM TechNet/MSDN access, etc.). Does anyone else out there think they're watching an entire organization that's making major, potentially business-killing mistakes, because its an organization under extreme stress? In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today, and might be interested in running in the future. Given what I've observed of them recently, and especially the Win 8.1 RTM/MSDN fiasco, I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

        We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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        Mike Hankey
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        They'll survive and we'll adapt as Roger has said. They created a market and they pretty much monopolized it were else can you go to run all the windows software that's out there?, from the home to corporations.

        VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          I remember when they introduced the Ribbon in Office. I hated it. Most people, at least that I knew, did not like it at first. But it turns out I like it a lot more and I think most people do now too. I know that is small in comparison to all of your examples but sometimes we just get too used to things to recognize that there are better ways of doing things. I certainly don't feel alienated by Microsoft but then again, except for .Net, I don't really follow them much anymore.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          CPallini
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          I'm still hating the ribbon.

          Veni, vidi, vici.

          In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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          • P patbob

            Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes recently. It appears to be completely out of touch with its customers (Win8 UI, Windows RT, Xbox One, Win 8.1 start button, etc.), and its alienating its developers (Windows phone, XNA, Win8.1 RTM TechNet/MSDN access, etc.). Does anyone else out there think they're watching an entire organization that's making major, potentially business-killing mistakes, because its an organization under extreme stress? In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today, and might be interested in running in the future. Given what I've observed of them recently, and especially the Win 8.1 RTM/MSDN fiasco, I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

            We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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            jschell
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            patbob wrote:

            In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today,

            Presuming that you do not see the future presumably when you bought it then it was because it was needed to run the programs that you needed then.

            patbob wrote:

            I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

            Given the programs that you run now, what computer would you buy now to run them?

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            • L Lost User

              In a David & Goliath scenario the stone plays a major role; however, the relationship between a large body and gravity is also important. Keep yourself nimble and the inevitable stone won't prevent you from making a soft landing.

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              BillWoodruff
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              :thumbsup: This is a wonderfully imaginative response ! thanks, Bill

              Google CEO, Erich Schmidt: "I keep asking for a product called Serendipity. This product would have access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." 2004, USA Today interview

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              • P patbob

                Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes recently. It appears to be completely out of touch with its customers (Win8 UI, Windows RT, Xbox One, Win 8.1 start button, etc.), and its alienating its developers (Windows phone, XNA, Win8.1 RTM TechNet/MSDN access, etc.). Does anyone else out there think they're watching an entire organization that's making major, potentially business-killing mistakes, because its an organization under extreme stress? In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today, and might be interested in running in the future. Given what I've observed of them recently, and especially the Win 8.1 RTM/MSDN fiasco, I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

                We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                BillWoodruff
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                Yes, the nights in Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland, and all around Lake Sammamish, are filled with millionaires' screams. yours, Bill

                Google CEO, Erich Schmidt: "I keep asking for a product called Serendipity. This product would have access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." 2004, USA Today interview

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                • P patbob

                  Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes recently. It appears to be completely out of touch with its customers (Win8 UI, Windows RT, Xbox One, Win 8.1 start button, etc.), and its alienating its developers (Windows phone, XNA, Win8.1 RTM TechNet/MSDN access, etc.). Does anyone else out there think they're watching an entire organization that's making major, potentially business-killing mistakes, because its an organization under extreme stress? In the past, buying a machine with a windows OS on it was a no-brainer for me as it was the only OS that I knew would run all the programs I was interested in today, and might be interested in running in the future. Given what I've observed of them recently, and especially the Win 8.1 RTM/MSDN fiasco, I'm even starting to wonder if my recent Windows OS purchases were the right choice.

                  We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                  Joe Woodbury
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                  I suspect the opposite precisely because of what you listed. All companies have a tension between those who want to make things usable, those who favor style over substance and those who just want to get their way. To Microsoft's detriment, the last two groups have been winning for the last five years, not coincidentally since Bill Gates retired. (I wonder if some of Ballmer's decisions weren't to make things better, just different. He was trying to prove he wasn't just Gates' right hand man.) I just started a job and the computer had Windows 8 on it. Still don't like it, but am getting used to. I'm at the point where if they just fixed the start menu right (not ever show that stupid tiled crap) and put Aero back in, I'd be happy since the underlying OS is pretty damn good.

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                  • Z ZurdoDev

                    I remember when they introduced the Ribbon in Office. I hated it. Most people, at least that I knew, did not like it at first. But it turns out I like it a lot more and I think most people do now too. I know that is small in comparison to all of your examples but sometimes we just get too used to things to recognize that there are better ways of doing things. I certainly don't feel alienated by Microsoft but then again, except for .Net, I don't really follow them much anymore.

                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    RyanDev wrote:

                    I remember when they introduced the Ribbon in Office. I hated it. Most people, at least that I knew, did not like it at first. But it turns out I like it a lot more and I think most people do now too.

                    Stockholm syndrome. The effluent interface was cr@p, is cr@p, and will always be cr@p.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      RyanDev wrote:

                      I remember when they introduced the Ribbon in Office. I hated it. Most people, at least that I knew, did not like it at first. But it turns out I like it a lot more and I think most people do now too.

                      Stockholm syndrome. The effluent interface was cr@p, is cr@p, and will always be cr@p.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      ZurdoDev
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                      Do you have a better suggestion?

                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                      • Z ZurdoDev

                        Do you have a better suggestion?

                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Many years of experimentation and development showed that a combination of configurable menus and toolbars is the optimum method for allowing users to access program functions. A moment of utter stupidity (and probably a lot of ego) resulted in that truth being ignored.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        • M Mark_Wallace

                          Many years of experimentation and development showed that a combination of configurable menus and toolbars is the optimum method for allowing users to access program functions. A moment of utter stupidity (and probably a lot of ego) resulted in that truth being ignored.

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          Many years of experimentation and development showed that a combination of configurable menus and toolbars is the optimum method for allowing users to access program functions.

                          I highly doubt that. I know for me personally, the ribbon is much more efficient.

                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          • Z ZurdoDev

                            Quote:

                            Many years of experimentation and development showed that a combination of configurable menus and toolbars is the optimum method for allowing users to access program functions.

                            I highly doubt that. I know for me personally, the ribbon is much more efficient.

                            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            RyanDev wrote:

                            for me personally, the ribbon is much more efficient

                            ... Until your requirements change, and you have to do different things.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            • M Mark_Wallace

                              RyanDev wrote:

                              for me personally, the ribbon is much more efficient

                              ... Until your requirements change, and you have to do different things.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              ZurdoDev
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                              Until your requirements change, and you have to do different things.

                              What? My requirement is to use Microsoft Word. The ribbon works great.

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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