S**pbox vs. Lounge

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Fair enough. What I was alluding to is that there are many people out there for which "male" or "female" just doesn't fit (e.g. the intersexed Aussie recently awarded a legal gender of "X"), and they're rather left out! Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Shog9 0

Hey, i'm all for equality, so long as everyone shaves in the right places and acts polite and courteous to each other. Especially the shaving bit. Especially the courteous bit.

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Paul Watson

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: What I was alluding to is that there are many people out there for which "male" or "female" just doesn't fit (e.g. the intersexed Aussie recently awarded a legal gender of "X"), and they're rather left out! Ahh ok. Well this is pretty serious stuff. I don't think gender categorisation will go away for thousands of years and it will still be based on physical appearance. A third or more gender won't be introduced beyond official forms, pop-culture just won't accept it so easily. So much is based on ticking wether you are a female or male that it is hard to change even if we wanted to. What about public bathrooms and changing areas? What about when you go to the chemist and you need a gender specific drug, I will bet there will be some cock ups there if it becomes too common to not ask or deduce the sex of the person. A male born and physically male person who has "transgendered" to being a female could be mistaken for a female and given a drug which is no good for them. There is just so much. It must be tough and I am open to transgendered people but frankly I can't go walking on eggshells everytime gender comes up. If I did that then I would have to do the same for different races and religions, food preferences and all sorts of PC stuff. Spend more time thinking "oooh, can I say that? Won't someone get offended if I say 'All males this side, females this side' instead of 'Males here, females here, others here, not-sures here and want-to-bes here'" than actually saying or doing anything. People like you will just have to be a bit toughed skinned about the issue and realise we aren't meaning to be offensive.

Paul Watson
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David Wulff

Paul Watson wrote: Stop! STOOOOOPPP! PLEASE! Oh fark me... You just made my sig-quote list. :laugh:

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

It is difficult and sadly there's no easy answers. Our whole culture is founded on male|female lines and anyone who doesn't fit that is going to be a bit left out. One thing I have noticed is that although most people seem to be able to accept those like myself who're TS, they have difficulty with someone who doesn't identifiably belong to one or the other of the established genders (pre-ops who never have surgery are a case in point). If our language isn't even adequate for the task, how can society in its current form be? Tricky...:confused: I think the only way forward is to let people decide for themselves. Ultimately, each of us is the only true judge of who we are. No form or label can describe any of us adequately. I suffered a great deal in my childhood by being forced to participate in stereotypically "male" sports etc., and I still carry the scars. That certainly colours my view of things now. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Paul Watson

David Wulff wrote: You just made my sig-quote list. You do realise that out of context people are going to think that a: You got the quote from a pr0n movie and b: that I am in a pr0n movie!

Paul Watson
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David Wulff

Like I said... you made the list. :)

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Paul Watson wrote: Just, BTW, how must I then refer to a female who has good manners, grace, wit and looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening gown? Dave? Well four out of five isn't bad. :rolleyes: And before you start to think it, no I do not own an evening gown; I was joking.

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KaRl

Paul Watson wrote: I believe you are taking my post alltogether too seriously I agree with quiet all your previous posts, and 'cause it's always a pleasure to chat with you, I have to find sometimes specious arguments :) Where's the discussion when both side agree :rolleyes: Paul Watson wrote: a female who has good manners, grace, wit and looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening gown A bomba? A female with good manners, grace, wit and who looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening gown ? :wtf: should there be a specific word? Is there one for a man with good manners, grace, wit and who looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening suit? (except myself?)

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KaRl

Shog9 wrote: so long as everyone shaves in the right places Do you mean people shouldn't shave outside of a bathroom? What a strange fantasy! :rolleyes: Shog9 wrote: and acts polite and courteous to each other In the bathroom ? :~

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Paul Watson wrote: Just, BTW, how must I then refer to a female who has good manners, grace, wit and looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening gown? Mistress? Oh, hang on. Wrong site. :-O Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

KaЯl wrote: A female with good manners, grace, wit and who looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening gown ? should there be a specific word? Is there one for a man with good manners, grace, wit and who looks drop dead gorgeous in a evening suit? (except myself?) Yep. A penguin. ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Shog9 0

KaЯl wrote: Do you mean people shouldn't shave outside of a bathroom? Exactly.

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I'd love to know where the "right places" are :laugh: Personally, I think it should be mandatory for guys with hairy bums to have them waxed. But that's just my perversionopinion. ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Shog9 0

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'd love to know where the "right places" are The rules are simple: anywhere you'd want someone else to touch/rub/kiss/lick should not have hair. This includes the scalp.

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KaRl

It would be hard to explain but when I see the word Penguin I associate it to Eric Cantona :eek: Our version of Spitting Images made a caricature of Cantona as a painter, mainly interested in painting penguins (In french, the word corresponding to penguin, pingouin, is very efficient to render the pronunciation of Cantona, with an strong provencal accent)

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KaRl

I'm glad to begin to understand how you're thinking ;):-D

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Shog9 0

KaЯl wrote: I'm glad to begin to understand how you're thinking i think? :omg:

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