Is it my question?
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I recently posted a Quick Question, which I thought was plainly understandable. I received some comments to which I was tempted to write a somewhat biting reply, but then I thought I'd better hold my tongue and check... Is there something about my question (see below) that doesn't make sense? Can you take it in some different context I'm not seeing? Are my comments on the comments reasonable? VS2010 Resource Editor Tab Names[^]
I agree that it was a unnecessary debate. But why even start it, you could have either answered the questions or just ignored them. SA posts a lot in QA section, and most of the questions / members are bit off. So he might be already annoyed by something/someone. And in general people (even on SO) who answers questions gets annoyed when the person asking question tries to defend themselves or argue about the answer. So just take it easy, I am sure someone who understand will answer your question soon. :)
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That's a 1 from me. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. One that, in this case, I have agreed with on more than one occasion about said individual. However, to engage in conduct that includes name-calling fits my understanding of abusive. I've no hard feelings towards you, but have an intense dislike of a down-vote that comes without an explanation. You may consider this reply as being that explanation. I welcome any discussion on my short-sightedness in the matter.
Jeeze, what a wanker. Is that abuse, or satire? Unfortunately, you don't get to decide. What I'm thinking, how I'm thinking, or what my intentions are are my business, not yours. You have no right to -- and are not qualified to -- make decisions on that.
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Jeeze, what a wanker. Is that abuse, or satire? Unfortunately, you don't get to decide. What I'm thinking, how I'm thinking, or what my intentions are are my business, not yours. You have no right to -- and are not qualified to -- make decisions on that.
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It's a one-liner that has no context. No, I don't get to decide what was your intention. But I do have the right to an opinion, a right that is no smaller or larger than anyone else's. "Elephant-off idiot" is another prime example of something that could be said, where context is vitally important. To some relationships, its entirely appropriate and may actually be used as a greeting. In other contexts, it's a vile and hurtful one-liner. Context is king. As you've so aptly put it - I'm not qualified to define the intentions of your words. Why don't you tell me, was "Jeeze, what a wanker" satire or abuse?
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I recently posted a Quick Question, which I thought was plainly understandable. I received some comments to which I was tempted to write a somewhat biting reply, but then I thought I'd better hold my tongue and check... Is there something about my question (see below) that doesn't make sense? Can you take it in some different context I'm not seeing? Are my comments on the comments reasonable? VS2010 Resource Editor Tab Names[^]
Don't listen to Sergey - He tends to be a little sunshine when he doesn't manages to get the point of the question. In the end he ends up pissing of the OP in most of the cases. At least he was able to get some points for commenting on your question.
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It seems he is the resident expert: http://i.imgur.com/X9U0s7t.png[^]
Steve Wellens
He is the guy who told the most people that he didn't understood their question :laugh: :laugh:
The busier I am, the more I procrastinate. - Chris "The Mighty" Maunder
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It's a one-liner that has no context. No, I don't get to decide what was your intention. But I do have the right to an opinion, a right that is no smaller or larger than anyone else's. "Elephant-off idiot" is another prime example of something that could be said, where context is vitally important. To some relationships, its entirely appropriate and may actually be used as a greeting. In other contexts, it's a vile and hurtful one-liner. Context is king. As you've so aptly put it - I'm not qualified to define the intentions of your words. Why don't you tell me, was "Jeeze, what a wanker" satire or abuse?
enhzflep wrote:
But I do have the right to an opinion, a right that is no smaller or larger than anyone else's.
Indeed, and if one's opinion of someone is derogatory and he airs that opinion, he is taking part in a discussion. If however, one's opinion of someone is derogatory and he takes official action against that person, e.g. by reporting the other's opinion as being abusive, he is not taking part in a discussion, he is acting like a wanker. To disagree with someone's opinion, all that is necessary is to state "I disagree", particularly in a discussion that is taking place in a forum that exists for discussion. That someone's opinions/way of talking/thoughts/religion/skin colour/whatever do not conform to your ideals does not give you the right to take formal action against that person. The CP Lounge would hardly profit from being populated either with people with identical beliefs, tastes, etc, or with people who are afraid to express themselves freely for fear of being reported by the thought police. The number on the Lounge's door is not 101.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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enhzflep wrote:
But I do have the right to an opinion, a right that is no smaller or larger than anyone else's.
Indeed, and if one's opinion of someone is derogatory and he airs that opinion, he is taking part in a discussion. If however, one's opinion of someone is derogatory and he takes official action against that person, e.g. by reporting the other's opinion as being abusive, he is not taking part in a discussion, he is acting like a wanker. To disagree with someone's opinion, all that is necessary is to state "I disagree", particularly in a discussion that is taking place in a forum that exists for discussion. That someone's opinions/way of talking/thoughts/religion/skin colour/whatever do not conform to your ideals does not give you the right to take formal action against that person. The CP Lounge would hardly profit from being populated either with people with identical beliefs, tastes, etc, or with people who are afraid to express themselves freely for fear of being reported by the thought police. The number on the Lounge's door is not 101.
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Thanks for your response Mark. You've made a number of interesting points. Some I concur with, some I don't. I particularly note that you've used very different languague in your second sentence, than that which was used originally. You're likely more conversant with the concept of similes and metaphors than I. Similar, but not the same. I note that you've said that if somebody acts in a particular way, that they're acting like a wanker. This is rather different than saying that somebody _is_ a wanker. It was in fact, precisely this lack of distinction that garnered my initial response in the first place. Clearly, you read my initial post. A post in which I said that I shared the same opinion on more than one occasion. I also pointed out that I was of the opinion that explicit name-calling fitted the definition of abusive. I did nothing other than play-the-ball, I certainly never played-the-man... (I addressed the behaviour, but said nothing negative of the individual (_Maxxx_) displaying it.) I quite clearly stated in fact, that there were no hard feelings. It was the post I objected to, not the poster. Indeed, I invited discussion regarding my opinion and subsequent action. We've been doing just that. Each of us did more than simply say "I disagree". I took a further action, as I am entitled to. As you yourself have said, you're entitled to disagree with my opinion and subsequent flagging of the post in question. I don't recall reading any document on code-project that says I'm not permitted to flag a comment I believe to be abusive as being abusive. Though I understand that your comment regarding formal action could be directed at either SA or myself. If the case is that it was directed at SA, disregard this paragraph if you're inclined. I've watched SA flag comments in a manner that would fit your assertion of conduct that one has no right to several times. Got that in one! It's precisely the diversity in beliefs, values, behaviour and culture that helps make both the lounge and the world in general, interesting to inhabit. If I was afraid of people expressing their opinions of my behaviour, I certainly wouldn't have taken a public stand. It was in fact out of respect for _Maxxx_, that I did this - it was not, I repeat NOT in the hope of having an extended discussion on the matter. However, having invited discussion, I felt obliged to respond to any/all posts in return. I'm not advocating for a second that we hold identical inner-states. Nor do most, if not all countries. There is howev
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Jeeze, what a wanker. Is that abuse, or satire? Unfortunately, you don't get to decide. What I'm thinking, how I'm thinking, or what my intentions are are my business, not yours. You have no right to -- and are not qualified to -- make decisions on that.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't get to decide. What I'm thinking, how I'm thinking, or what my intentions are are my business, not yours. You have no right to -- and are not qualified to -- make decisions on that.
Based on that no post can be declared abusive. There is no social interaction with other humans where you know what the person really meant. All you can do is evaluate it based upon your own experience and what you observed. And in this forum that based almost exclusively on what people post. A real argument might be made as to whether this is "abuse". I have seen posts at other sites which consisted of nothing but curse words. I would probably mark that as abusive. I have never seen one of those here as such I have never used the abuse button that I recall.
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I recently posted a Quick Question, which I thought was plainly understandable. I received some comments to which I was tempted to write a somewhat biting reply, but then I thought I'd better hold my tongue and check... Is there something about my question (see below) that doesn't make sense? Can you take it in some different context I'm not seeing? Are my comments on the comments reasonable? VS2010 Resource Editor Tab Names[^]
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It seems he is the resident expert: http://i.imgur.com/X9U0s7t.png[^]
Steve Wellens
There is someone - no names - who accuses people of "cheating" in QA - not sure what that means, hadn't realised it was a competition. However, have spotted tonight that several of their solutions have been edited a couple of times ... add a letter here, remove some bold there and such ... guess that's a good way to up your points in the game ... if it was a game. Which it is not. etc etc
