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    Rohit Sinha wrote: And why weren't those cameras removed after the authorities learned about them? Their warships are in Arabian sea. Rohit Sinha wrote: but by the normal people who were confused of the origin of the Sikhs. Indian muslims are also worried in US. I've read the news of many incidents like these[^] in past 6 months.

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    Shehzad Ansari wrote: Indian muslims are also worried in US. I've read the news of many incidents like these[^] in past 6 months. Bah, what rubbish! Guys like you try to find some sort of angle to everything. Did you read the article before you posted the link? I'm sure you didn't. Or maybe you did, but were counting on the fact that no one else would. From the article: "A security screener at London's Heathrow Airport thought the passenger resembled a man on a "no-fly" list, " Clearly, he had to be questioned, Indian, American, Pakistani, whatever his nationality. If he is suspect, they need to talk to him. Also from the article: "Adeel, whose nationality was not immediately released, was traveling with a woman, the airline said. He was interviewed and released about two hours after being taken into custody." Nowhere does the article say the man was an Indian, only that he was travelling on an Air India plane. He may have been an Indian, or may not have been an Indian. The article doesn't tell you.
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    Rohit Sinha

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      Fazlul Kabir wrote: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What's next? Require muslims to wear crescent patches? Reminds me of Jews wearing star of David patches in Nazi Germany Should the US start requiring Muslims to wear crescent patches it would be much different than this analogy implies. In the case of the Jews in Germany it was a matter of identifying cattle to be slaughtered. In the case of the USA it would be to identify those who support the slaughter of innocents, simply because they do not believe or how have elected leaders that have somehow offended a god or prophet. Big differnce. Mike

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        WTC September 11, 2001[^] Rather a loss of dignity than another loss of life. :| Mike Mullikin :beer:

        I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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        Score: 2.1 (5 votes). Ooooohhhhh! The pro-WTC attack element has spoken. X| X| Mike Mullikin :beer:

        I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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          Read the article, and yes it is sad. Even sadder is the fact that, without provocation 3,000 Americans and visitors to America were slaughtered in the name of . . The world changed at that point in time. The elected officials in this country, the USA, cannot but do everything in their power to keep it from happening again. Because if it does the retribution will be mind boggling. The fact that we're just learning how to protect ourselves, ergo the loss of pride and dignity of this individual, is a fact. It is a fact necessitated by an open border, open door policy that has gone on for entirely too long. But I would rather his loss of dignity than my loss of a family member to another fanatic. I have no more sympathy for him than he would for some newspaper reporter with a slit throat in Pakistan. Mike

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          Mike Gaskey wrote: I have no more sympathy for him than he would for some newspaper reporter with a slit throat in Pakistan. And you are applying the same prejudice to someone you don't know because he is muslim. Muslims were murdered at the WTC too, and their families mourn as much as any others. The tigress is here :-D

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            Score: 2.1 (5 votes). Ooooohhhhh! The pro-WTC attack element has spoken. X| X| Mike Mullikin :beer:

            I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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            I suppose some judged it was a bad argument. It's far from justifying a terrorist act! I understand US have to enforce the security rules. However, IMO if the prize to pay is sacrificing the principles of Justice, of Freedom a democracy may have, it's also a victory for the terrorists.


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              I suppose some judged it was a bad argument. It's far from justifying a terrorist act! I understand US have to enforce the security rules. However, IMO if the prize to pay is sacrificing the principles of Justice, of Freedom a democracy may have, it's also a victory for the terrorists.


              Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop

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              I just thought it was in poor taste for someone to start a thread with a title "Wrong Message To the Muslim World" without even acknowledging the root of the problem. Mike Mullikin :beer:

              I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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                Mike Gaskey wrote: I have no more sympathy for him than he would for some newspaper reporter with a slit throat in Pakistan. And you are applying the same prejudice to someone you don't know because he is muslim. Muslims were murdered at the WTC too, and their families mourn as much as any others. The tigress is here :-D

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                Trollslayer wrote: And you are applying the same prejudice to someone you don't know because he is muslim. Yes. Since 9-11, for me, basic norms have changed. I immediately mistrust a Muslim because he or she is a Muslim. If I come to know more about the individual and find they do not support fanaticism then my opinion may change. Prior to 9-11 someone's religion, nationality, color, political bent, height or weight didn't matter to me. Since 9-11, I have attempted to read the Quran plus a number of derivitive/interpretative analytical works. That reading, Muslim led attacks here and abroad prior to 9-11, and, the event itself tell me that it is sheer stupidity to not be cautious. Trollslayer wrote: Muslims were murdered at the WTC too, and their families mourn as much as any others. and your point is? Mike

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                  Roger Wright wrote: The Bureau does assist other governments when requested, but never on their own authority. You are absolutely right, initially FBI started its activities after the permission of government but now they are out of control.

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                  You are missing some critical words here, "request" not permission. I do not know if it is really the FBI or some other agency. But with out question it is due to the request of the government. Not the FBI out of control as you imply. "I will find a new sig someday."

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                    Brad Jennings wrote: enough respect for US rules US rules and respect :-D Do they respect rules of other countries?? Didn't they throw missile inside Yemen to kill "terrorists"... Didn't their spy planes violated Chinese air space ???

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                    I wasn't arguing about what the government did to other countries but rather that the individual person should respect another country's rules. There's a lot of reasons that the US requires registration, one of the reasons being that we want to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

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                      Score: 2.1 (5 votes). Ooooohhhhh! The pro-WTC attack element has spoken. X| X| Mike Mullikin :beer:

                      I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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                      I guess my vote of 5 didn't do much good. When will people learn that just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should vote a message low. I really think the voting should be scrapped - especially in the soapbox. Michael Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman. All the world's waiting for you, and the power you possess. In your satin tights, Fighting for your rights And the old Red, White and Blue.

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                        I guess my vote of 5 didn't do much good. When will people learn that just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should vote a message low. I really think the voting should be scrapped - especially in the soapbox. Michael Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman. All the world's waiting for you, and the power you possess. In your satin tights, Fighting for your rights And the old Red, White and Blue.

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                        I don't have a problem with the votes (low or high) or the lack of comments. I just thought I'd take my own shot at their opinions. :-D Mike Mullikin :beer:

                        I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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                          I just thought it was in poor taste for someone to start a thread with a title "Wrong Message To the Muslim World" without even acknowledging the root of the problem. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                          I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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                          Marc Clifton
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                          Isn't it wierd how a "1" message rating is very often accompanied by a "5" message rating shortly there-after? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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                            I guess my vote of 5 didn't do much good. When will people learn that just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should vote a message low. I really think the voting should be scrapped - especially in the soapbox. Michael Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman. All the world's waiting for you, and the power you possess. In your satin tights, Fighting for your rights And the old Red, White and Blue.

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                            Michael P Butler wrote: When will people learn that just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should vote a message low :confused: Why not?


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                              Fazlul Kabir wrote: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What's next? Require muslims to wear crescent patches? Reminds me of Jews wearing star of David patches in Nazi Germany Should the US start requiring Muslims to wear crescent patches it would be much different than this analogy implies. In the case of the Jews in Germany it was a matter of identifying cattle to be slaughtered. In the case of the USA it would be to identify those who support the slaughter of innocents, simply because they do not believe or how have elected leaders that have somehow offended a god or prophet. Big differnce. Mike

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                              Your'e joking right?... There is NO big difference, the star of david patches were meant to just identify the jews, there were similar patches for eg. homosexuals, and the majority of the German people didn't know about the genocide. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                                Your'e joking right?... There is NO big difference, the star of david patches were meant to just identify the jews, there were similar patches for eg. homosexuals, and the majority of the German people didn't know about the genocide. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                                jan larsen wrote: Your'e joking right?... I was every bit as serious as Jörgen Sigvardsson. For some reason the rest of the world seems to believe that it is okay for the US to be attacked by Muslim fanatics and that the cure is for us to simply understand the reasons why, then bend over for more. When I encounter sarcasm, I reply in kind. Mike

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