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  • S Smitha Nishant

    Yes the start menu sucks. And it takes a lot of time to get used to it. I am so used to the old start menu layout. But they say this is the most intelligent layout, with the more frequently accessed programs at easy reach. Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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    Christian Graus
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    well, 'they' CAN'T say 'we need another gimmic to sell you an OS you don't need', now can they ? If it's so intelligent, why do we both not like it ? If it's so easy to use, why didn't we just love it at first use ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
    C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
    It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003

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      LOL Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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      David Stone
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      I'm glad somebody got that. I was hoping I wasn't the only programmer versed in literature that ends sentences with punctuation other than the semicolon. :)


      Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers

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        XP: + groups in Explorer (don't diss this - it rocks) + handy image preview utility / digital camera support + it's newer, so more likely to be supported for longer - higher system requirements - that pesky activation thing - passport integration if u can get over the -'s, XP is great.

        Shog9

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        Smitha Nishant
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        Shog9 wrote: groups in Explorer (don't diss this - it rocks) Yup. It rocks. Thanks for pointing out.:rose: And about the image viewer, I also think its great. :) Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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          I'm glad somebody got that. I was hoping I wasn't the only programmer versed in literature that ends sentences with punctuation other than the semicolon. :)


          Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers

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          Roger Wright
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          I'm not unfamiliar with Melville... He wrote "Shamu does San Diego" didn't he? Or was that the video I rented last weekend? It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
          Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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            well, 'they' CAN'T say 'we need another gimmic to sell you an OS you don't need', now can they ? If it's so intelligent, why do we both not like it ? If it's so easy to use, why didn't we just love it at first use ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
            C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
            It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003

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            David Stone
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            Christian Graus wrote: If it's so intelligent, why do we both not like it ? If it's so easy to use, why didn't we just love it at first use ? I do and I did. Thus proving that it is the layout of the gods. ;P


            Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers

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              David Stone wrote: a braindead monkey. I am most certainly not braindead. LOL!!! I wondered why your email came from a server at the San Diego Zoo... Have you and your friends typed any Shakespeare lately? It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
              Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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              Rohit Sinha
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              Roger Wright wrote: Have you and your friends typed any Shakespeare lately? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Brilliant!
              Regards,

              Rohit Sinha

              Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
              - Abraham Lincoln

              The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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              • S Smitha Nishant

                Kant wrote: How's Tweety? I put her in an asylum as part of my snatching nish from her :-D Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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                Roger Wright
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                Her attendants tell me that she is becoming very skilled at weaving baskets from dried river reeds and fronds, and seems to enjoy the fuzzy stuffed animals her friends send her. Her drooling has cleared up, and she's almost mastered feeding herself now that the twitching has subsided. She still occasionally codes in VB, but the doctors are optimistic.:-D It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
                Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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                • R Rohit Sinha

                  Roger Wright wrote: Have you and your friends typed any Shakespeare lately? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Brilliant!
                  Regards,

                  Rohit Sinha

                  Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                  - Abraham Lincoln

                  The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
                  - Anonymous

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                  Roger Wright
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                  I was rather hoping someone would get that reference.:-D It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
                  Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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                    Christian Graus wrote: If it's so intelligent, why do we both not like it ? If it's so easy to use, why didn't we just love it at first use ? I do and I did. Thus proving that it is the layout of the gods. ;P


                    Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers

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                    Christian Graus
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                    LOL - well, I guess there's always one... Seriously, of more concern to me was how hard it was to configure, instead of a control panel I got 20 questions. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                    C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                    It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003

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                    • S Smitha Nishant

                      Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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                      Rohit Sinha
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                      Smitha Vijayan wrote: What should I tell them ? Tell them it'll let them watch Cricket WC live on their PCs. :-D Sorry I can't help you because I haven't used it enough myself to know enough to comment.
                      Regards,

                      Rohit Sinha

                      Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                      - Abraham Lincoln

                      The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
                      - Anonymous

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                      • S Smitha Nishant

                        Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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                        Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                        If you design anything with a UI you would be advised to ensure your product supports Visual Styles correctly - and to do that you need to develop under XP (besides: UxTheme.dll is fun to write for ;)). There's also the support issue - XP will have a longer lifetime than 2k, and it seems harder to break an XP box (I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes :rolleyes: ). XP also starts up faster. :) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                        "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                        - Marcia Graesch

                        Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          Because it tries to make things easy and as a result makes them hard. Plus the new start menu is the ugliest UI I have ever seen. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                          C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                          It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003

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                          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                          Christian Graus wrote: Plus the new start menu is the ugliest UI I have ever seen. I prefer it... ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                          "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                          - Marcia Graesch

                          Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

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                          • R Rohit Sinha

                            Smitha Vijayan wrote: What should I tell them ? Tell them it'll let them watch Cricket WC live on their PCs. :-D Sorry I can't help you because I haven't used it enough myself to know enough to comment.
                            Regards,

                            Rohit Sinha

                            Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                            - Abraham Lincoln

                            The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
                            - Anonymous

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                            Smitha Nishant
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                            Rohit Sinha wrote: Sorry I can't help you And you can't help talking abt cricket, can you ? :-D Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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                              If you design anything with a UI you would be advised to ensure your product supports Visual Styles correctly - and to do that you need to develop under XP (besides: UxTheme.dll is fun to write for ;)). There's also the support issue - XP will have a longer lifetime than 2k, and it seems harder to break an XP box (I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes :rolleyes: ). XP also starts up faster. :) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                              "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                              - Marcia Graesch

                              Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

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                              Smitha Nishant
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                              Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: If you design anything with a UI you would be advised to ensure your product supports Visual Styles correctly For that, they'd say a test machine with XP is enough :(( And the biggest issue is my superior keeps saying that, a lot of people still use non-XP OS :( Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: it seems harder to break an XP box XP also starts up faster. Good points. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes Wow!:cool: Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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                              • S Smitha Nishant

                                Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: If you design anything with a UI you would be advised to ensure your product supports Visual Styles correctly For that, they'd say a test machine with XP is enough :(( And the biggest issue is my superior keeps saying that, a lot of people still use non-XP OS :( Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: it seems harder to break an XP box XP also starts up faster. Good points. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes Wow!:cool: Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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                                Smitha Vijayan wrote: For that, they'd say a test machine with XP is enough And the biggest issue is my superior keeps saying that, a lot of people still use non-XP OS Believe, me a test machine isn't enough - custom controls need to be refactored to support Visual Styles, and doing that on a test box isn't generally a good idea unless they want it turned onto a dev machine most of the time. ;) The target platform shouldn't be an issue either. We still target NT 4.0 - but you won't find anyone developing using it! All our developers run XP, and the test machines are ghosted to NT/2000/XP as appropriate. We do have a spare box or two available in case we do need to debug a 2K/NT specific problem, but it's not happened so far. Smitha Vijayan wrote: I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes I've never busted an XP installation but there's one file on a 2K box which will cause an instant blue screen if it get's damaged - the system hive (not backed up by 2000). My first 2000 box died that way after a bad sector landed in exactly the same way. I also had a box at home which had big problems with 2000 and was always blue screening. In contrast, my two XP boxes (a Xeon desktop at work and a Duron laptop at home) seem rock solid and I've had no trouble that System Restore couldn't get me out of. :) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                                "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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                                Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

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                                  LOL - well, I guess there's always one... Seriously, of more concern to me was how hard it was to configure, instead of a control panel I got 20 questions. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                                  C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                                  It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003

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                                  l a u r e n
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                                  christian i use xp pro and i configured it to look and feel pretty much the same as win2k ... its stable and i have no problems with it ... for me there is no difference


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                                    christian i use xp pro and i configured it to look and feel pretty much the same as win2k ... its stable and i have no problems with it ... for me there is no difference


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                                    Same here, I have XP configured to look and act pretty much the same as Win2K, and everything's just peachy.

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                                      Smitha Vijayan wrote: But since Win 2K and XP are same cost Same here in NZ. The main reason I won't use XP is the activation nonsense. I want to be able to reinstall my OS as many times as I want without any limits. I have had instances where I have had to do a fresh install of Windows, darn near weekly. (Partly my fault). I have XP on the new family computer and find it to be a lot better than mine, but the H-Ware is better also. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                                      > The main reason I won't use XP is the activation nonsense. I want to be > able to reinstall my OS as many times as I want without any limits. > I have had instances where I have had to do a fresh install of Windows, > darn near weekly. (Partly my fault). I'd then suggest *not* to activate XP...let it run for as long as it can go without activation...take that time to diagnose whatever problems you were having that forced you to reinstall the OS. Once you know your machine is stable and you won't have to reinstall in a week, then you can activate it. Activation doesn't have to be done right away, which (I find) is a mistake a lot of people make.

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                                        If you design anything with a UI you would be advised to ensure your product supports Visual Styles correctly - and to do that you need to develop under XP (besides: UxTheme.dll is fun to write for ;)). There's also the support issue - XP will have a longer lifetime than 2k, and it seems harder to break an XP box (I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes :rolleyes: ). XP also starts up faster. :) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                                        "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                                        - Marcia Graesch

                                        Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

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                                        Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes Really? I've only found two things that can kill a Win2K box - AOL Instant Messenger and Windows Update. It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
                                        Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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                                          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'm rather good at killing 2K boxes Really? I've only found two things that can kill a Win2K box - AOL Instant Messenger and Windows Update. It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
                                          Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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                                          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                          Yep - if the system hive gets corrupted by a bad sector or whatever that's it - instant blue screen. Even worse, if the evil "Automatically reboot after a crash" option is enabled (the default) you're into an infinite cycle of reboots and BSODs. X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                                          "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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                                          Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

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