Why there are no good software Projects in Odesk, elance etc.
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I am a developer, i have observed that there are no good or big software projects like a high traffic ecommerce project in freelance websites like Odesk, elance etc. Most of the projects are Not serious, Fake, Low budgeted etc. There are few good projects. In software companies you can find serious projects, compared with freelance projects. What is the reason? Some project managers said one reason is It is because for Big projects needs to work in teams, So it can't be given to individuals and also communication problems etc. Thanks
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I am a developer, i have observed that there are no good or big software projects like a high traffic ecommerce project in freelance websites like Odesk, elance etc. Most of the projects are Not serious, Fake, Low budgeted etc. There are few good projects. In software companies you can find serious projects, compared with freelance projects. What is the reason? Some project managers said one reason is It is because for Big projects needs to work in teams, So it can't be given to individuals and also communication problems etc. Thanks
I don't think there are very capable people on those sites. Most of the projects I was passing on due to my own work-loads were big projects and never completed because of the lack of professional experience by the applicant. And two, I think most people who use those sites looking for work, are also not as professional as they so astute make themselves look. To me, it is a site for those who want to make a quick buck by doing a half-ass job. A professional job posting system would and should test your authenticity of your qualifications before allowing you to apply to job positions. There are many job postings offering good pay for professional contractors.
Regards, CodingK
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I don't think there are very capable people on those sites. Most of the projects I was passing on due to my own work-loads were big projects and never completed because of the lack of professional experience by the applicant. And two, I think most people who use those sites looking for work, are also not as professional as they so astute make themselves look. To me, it is a site for those who want to make a quick buck by doing a half-ass job. A professional job posting system would and should test your authenticity of your qualifications before allowing you to apply to job positions. There are many job postings offering good pay for professional contractors.
Regards, CodingK
CodingK wrote:
There are many job postings offering good pay for professional contractors.
Where?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I am a developer, i have observed that there are no good or big software projects like a high traffic ecommerce project in freelance websites like Odesk, elance etc. Most of the projects are Not serious, Fake, Low budgeted etc. There are few good projects. In software companies you can find serious projects, compared with freelance projects. What is the reason? Some project managers said one reason is It is because for Big projects needs to work in teams, So it can't be given to individuals and also communication problems etc. Thanks
pandu web dev wrote:
Some project managers said one reason is
It is because for Big projects needs to work in teams, So it can't be given to individuals and also communication problems etc.It is a fact that many business projects fail either partially or completely. Many studies demonstrate this. And I suspect that many of those failures are attributed to project management failures. Thus a project manager probably isn't the best source to evaluate why a broad category of projects fail. Below is one stat for Apache server, which is a public domain and open source server. From it 60% usage from the top (usage) 10 million web sites in the world. How do those "project managers" explain that success? (There are a vast number of addons for apache.) There are many more examples of this. http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/ws-apache/all/all[^]
pandu web dev wrote:
said one reason is
One reason individual projects fail is just due to lack of interest when there are very few participants. An initial project needs several dedicated enthusiasts who spend years actively supporting a project until many people start using it. If the first doesn't happen then the second wont. I am not going to research it in detail but I know for a fact that there used to be a free shopping cart system written in perl. There might be something now in a different language. You can try googling for that.
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I don't think there are very capable people on those sites. Most of the projects I was passing on due to my own work-loads were big projects and never completed because of the lack of professional experience by the applicant. And two, I think most people who use those sites looking for work, are also not as professional as they so astute make themselves look. To me, it is a site for those who want to make a quick buck by doing a half-ass job. A professional job posting system would and should test your authenticity of your qualifications before allowing you to apply to job positions. There are many job postings offering good pay for professional contractors.
Regards, CodingK
I have had mixed results (as a vendor) using services from companies like Elance, and I agree with your assessment here. Elance, specifically, was purchased by Upwork not too long ago, and I see that Upwork introduces features for testing and validating the authenticity of freelancers' qualifications. Do you see this as a step in the right direction? Do you think it will have a measurable impact on the quality of freelancers (and/or vendor experience) using this platform?
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I am a developer, i have observed that there are no good or big software projects like a high traffic ecommerce project in freelance websites like Odesk, elance etc. Most of the projects are Not serious, Fake, Low budgeted etc. There are few good projects. In software companies you can find serious projects, compared with freelance projects. What is the reason? Some project managers said one reason is It is because for Big projects needs to work in teams, So it can't be given to individuals and also communication problems etc. Thanks
What others have said... plus: * It's become very easy + cheap to post a project on these sites. So the sites fill up with thousands of tentative projects, from buyers who don't really know what they want and don't care much about the outcome. The "real" projects get swamped and unless you check each site multiple times per day, they very quickly end up a long way down any result lists. * "Real" projects tend to be posted by people who know what they're doing and how to do it, and who've been doing it for years. They will have built up networks of people they know and trust, and they either go direct to them or offer "Private" auctions to just those invited bidders. * Auction sites are cheap for small projects. But once you get above a certain size, they can become very expensive indeed, for both buyer and seller. A fixed-price $500 job is worth bidding on - but when you need a 20-strong team for a year, it's cheaper to go down the traditional agency route. * Big projects tend to be started by big companies. They will have HR departments, preferred-supplier lists, suitability requirements, plus a whole raft of legislation and tax considerations to worry about. Picking up an un-identifiable individual via an auction site is so far off their modus operandi as to be unthinkable for them. There's not actually any reason why teams can't be composed of remote-working individuals, even across time-zones. It can be done, if you pick freelancers with the appropriate skills and motivation. In fact it can be an extremely efficient way of working - I've built projects myself as a buyer by outsourcing very specific tasks to developers across the globe. If co-ordinated well, they don't need to communicate and there is zero interruption + distraction. But you need very good specifications! In working through these sites over a long period, I've come across some really big projects. Some were, as above, highly compartmentalised, and I contributed a small cog in a big wheel. Others were very closely managed. Most, though, start off as a small - even tiny - task but then morph - off the original site - into something very much larger. The sites will all have rules about not taking work off-site, and definitely discourage (often with good reason) users from doing this (lack of financial escrow being the main one). However depending on the situation it's certainly possible to do so without infringing T+Cs and I've had long-term clients who originally "found" me through one or other of the type of sites you ment
