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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    As both is human decision, both sucks...

    I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

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    Marc Clifton
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    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

    As both is human decision, both sucks...

    Amen! Marc

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    • C codejet

      Justice or the law what is more important?

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      Justice is the enforcement of the law, which is a replacement for people figuring out on their own what is right and wrong, and as such, both point to essentially the non-existence (it never has existed, actually) of intelligent life on this planet. Marc

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        So...is it justice that a rich person can buy a decision by affording expensive lawyers? (OJ Simpson, Strauss-Kahn, ...) Or by just paying to get out of court (Bernie Ecclestone, ...) Law is not the same as justice: the law of many countries lets the guilty go free, or with a "slap on the wrist" when they deserve better justice.

        You looking for sympathy? You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric (Page 1788, if it helps)

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        OriginalGriff wrote:

        Law is not the same as justice: the law of many countries lets the guilty go free, or with a "slap on the wrist" when they deserve better justice.

        Except of course justice is subjective. What is justice for one is injustice for another. The law of course is dependent upon humans so it cannot and will not be perfect.

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        • R Roger Wright

          Wow, we have an amazingly uninformed group here this morning! By your reasoning, keeping black slaves in the US was entirely just, since the law said so. Imprisoning, starving, and beating American Indian children in the Indian Schools was just, as was stealing their parents' homelands and moving them off into arid, barren reservations, because the law said it was okay. Murdering women for the crime of being raped in the Middle East is just, because that's the law. I've been through several law classes, and the first thing any law teacher tells a class is, don't ever confuse law with justice. One will rarely find both in a court room.

          Will Rogers never met me.

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          Roger Wright wrote:

          By your reasoning, keeping black slaves ...

          When one looks back one must look back at the entirety. Ignoring the entirety when examining the specific probably is not "just" no more so than a court that refuses to consider any mitigating circumstances.

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          and beating American Indian children in the Indian Schools

          This of course is just one example of where one should at least consider the entirety. Beatings in school in many forms occurred in most if not all US schools for much of the US history. So to examine the justice in this case one would need to find comparable examples, look at the reasons for the discipline and determine if the discipline was extreme or comparable for the time. It is not sufficient to show for example that such students were beaten for something like using native american languages in classroom unless one can show that children in other parts of the nation were not beaten for similar transgressions. Also one must consider that at least at one time even in the US even in the work place one might be beaten. Additionally even now there are states that do not ban corporal punishment in schools. In 2006 there were over 200,000 students who were subjected to corporal punishment in the US. (Although to be fair given the goal of the link below it is possible that the numbers might be less than authentic but I would suspect that it is still not zero.) http://www.stophitting.com/index.php?page=statesbanning[^]

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            Dredd is all.

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            That guy that played Judge Dredd in that movie talks alot like the guy that plays McCoy in the last 2 Star Trek Movies.

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            • L Lost User

              That guy that played Judge Dredd in that movie talks alot like the guy that plays McCoy in the last 2 Star Trek Movies.

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              Pete OHanlon
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              Imagine that.

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              • C codejet

                Justice or the law what is more important?

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                Mark_Wallace
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                Honour.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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