Iran Air Crash

Paul Watson

302 elite troops dead[^] in crash. Now I know this topic has been beaten to death but: I only happened to hear about this tragedy by visiting Google news. It is like a sub-sub-sub-sub link on CNN.com. BBC, second item so go BBC. But come on peeps. Just for one second think how farked into a frenzied cocked hat the media would be if that Iranian plane was American and had US troops in it. I would have woken up with "Air Disaster" taped to my forehead and the CNN anchor in my bedroom. In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world.

Paul Watson
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Michael A Barnhart

Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. We agree with on that. Paul Watson wrote: I would have woken up with "Air Disaster" taped to my forehead and the CNN anchor in my bedroom. Yes there is something wrong. At least it is on the side bar (top international) of my front page (story on page 6A). "I will find a new sig someday."

Megan Forbes

Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. I agree completely, although it was at least one of the news items on Sky. Still, not greatly in bold font, huge letters, wailing and gnashing of teeth or anything. On a funnier topic (and anyone in the US please tell me if this is true or not!) our morning news program stated yesterday that the US was brought to a standstill yesterday (yes, even the impending war was kicked from the news screens apparently) as all channels switched over to the live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC :laugh: Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but what kind of crazy coverage is that!

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Stan Shannon

I heard about the Irainian air disaster but not about the dog on the ice and I have the news on pretty much all the time when I'm at home. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Megan Forbes

Stan Shannon wrote: I heard about the Irainian air disaster but not about the dog on the ice Aaaah - the acuracies of GMTV :) BTW, they showed a little footage of it, and it really looked like a movie set. The helicopters could be heard, etc, but in the end it was a little 2 man rowing boat that saved the day.

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Stan Shannon

I heard a guy on CNN complaining that their budget was simply exhausted by all the news coverage of Iraq, Korea, etc. and that they simply could not cover every story in the world which deserved coverage. I don't know if I believe that or not, but it does stand to reason that regardless of the measure of a disaster there are only so many things which can be reported on any given day. The train disaster in Korea is getting a lot of coverage here, but the Iranian air disaster was only mentioned. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Paul Watson

Megan Forbes wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but what kind of crazy coverage is that! I think media works on this scale: 1. Child down hole in ground 2. Dog/cat/pet trapped 3. Dead yankees abroad 3. Dead yankees at home 5. Impending war with yankees involved 6. Celebrity revelations 7. New diet drug 8. New diet machine 9. Anti-aging breakthrough 10. Red Sox win world series, or something ... 40. Impending war without yankees involved ... 42. Advancements in anything worthwhile which if we were told could change our lives. Science, culture, religion etc. :rolleyes:

Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africa

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Megan Forbes

Paul Watson wrote: 42. Advancements in anything worthwhile which if we were told could change our lives. Science, culture, religion etc. :laugh: You sure you don't have journalist training? That certainly sounds about right :)

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Paul Watson

Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know if I believe that or not, but it does stand to reason that regardless of the measure of a disaster there are only so many things which can be reported on any given day. Indeed, very true. But I would wager my left nut that if the same air crash happened in America that every news agency would break the bank getting to it and reporting on it all day every day for at least 2 weeks. And the thing is, all our news channels would be plastered with it as well because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) Not saying it is Americas fault. Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. This whole Iraq issue has brought up that dependency in my eyes. Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord.

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Paul Watson wrote: Now I know this topic has been beaten to death but: I only happened to hear about this tragedy by visiting Google news. It is like a sub-sub-sub-sub link on CNN.com. BBC, second item so go BBC. But come on peeps. Just for one second think how farked into a frenzied cocked hat the media would be if that Iranian plane was American and had US troops in it. I would have woken up with "Air Disaster" taped to my forehead and the CNN anchor in my bedroom. In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. I saw it on the BBC website too (I've no TV so that's how I find out what's happening). I think you're right. US news is deemed more important than any other. For new organisations which claim to be "international" that's a travesty. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Paul Watson

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: US news is deemed more important than any other. For new organisations which claim to be "international" that's a travesty. And it is not the US's fault, but ours. US media agencies have every right to flog national tragedies. Just like any countries agencies. That all our agencies rely on the US agencies for coverage is what we have done wrong. Our agencies should have their independant reporters out there around the world, like the Reuters, AP, CNN chaps. Our guys should be out there, or at least they should have agreements with more agencies than just American ones.

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

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HENDRIK R

Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. Yes, they're. It's always a question of how famous involved people have been or if it's really significant for the nation (have we been proud of the sacrifices? does it affect our personal life? dog sings Happy Birthday). If either is the case it's good news worth to be shown the whole day, week, ... When some thousand people die in a gale in Asia or South America we hear about that 1 time. But if a famous person dies in a car accident it's shown on every channel including lots of background knowledge. I think it's a bad situation, but the news mainly show what the people are interested in - and that's nearly nothing that doesn't affect them.

Paul Watson

Schlaubi wrote: I think it's a bad situation, but the news mainly show what the people are interested in - and that's nearly nothing that doesn't affect them. I don't think the main news is really in touch with peoples interests any more.

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

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Paul Watson

Megan Forbes wrote: You sure you don't have journalist training? That certainly sounds about right lol thanks. News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them. What got to me though was "They should be human interest mainly. Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO. They see the only worthwhile photos being those that give them leverage on their viewers emotions.

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Damn right. Though as you say, the BBC is the exception rather than the rule - last night it was the headline story on their site. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Megan Forbes

Paul Watson wrote: lol thanks. :) No Probs! Paul Watson wrote: News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them Congrats! :cool: Paul Watson wrote: What got to me though was "They should be human interest mainly. Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO. They see the only worthwhile photos being those that give them leverage on their viewers emotions. Pretty much the same here, but this time specifically international news - I wonder if the little old ladies being beaten up over here for their pensions and loaves of bread would interest them - seems doubtful, for the same reason you state :( Oh well, I work in the wrong city for news anyway (I'm having trouble deciding whether Maidstone or Nelspruit is larger). Personally I prefer iafrica to News24 (they did feature the Iran plane crash this morning), and have had an article on London published by them once, but to be honest, I find writing blurb to go with my shots tedious in comparison with the fun I have taking the shots themselves. Guess I should grow up huh? :-O

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HENDRIK R

Paul Watson wrote: I don't think the main news is really in touch with peoples interests any more. I disagree with you. Television ever shows what people want to see - they need a certain amount of viewers to be able to self-finance. And viewers would switch the channel if it doesn't present what viewers want to see. The same is with news. Why are there currently only reports about Iraq, America, NATO, ... on TV? Because it's the main topic everywhere. People need more information every day to keep conversation alive, and the news provide that new information. So, currently nobody cares about an Irani airplane, and thus news only mention it marginally.

Paul Watson

Schlaubi wrote: The same is with news. Why are there currently only reports about Iraq, America, NATO, ... on TV? Because it's the main topic everywhere. People need more information every day to keep conversation alive, and the news provide that new information Ahh, well there you go. News channels provide it. Which is why I think we are being driven by the media rather than the media being driven by us. They push to us, there is very little way we can push back. You say we can switch news channels. True. But what is showing on the other news channel? Also Iraq. Also dogs on ice (and nothing to do with the Ice Shows.) Throw the TV out, get a paper. Damn, more Iraq. Buy another paper, Dog Rescued From Ice While Bush Invades Iraq. Quite frankly most people I know are quite sick and tired of hearing about and talking about Iraq. Here on CP we have seen it, people asking for War Talk to be in the Soapbox or preferrably not at all. Yet the media still pumps it out. The feedback loop is not working.

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

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HENDRIK R

Paul Watson wrote: Which is why I think we are being driven by the media rather than the media being driven by us. They push to us, there is very little way we can push back. I think it's kind of circle. It's sure that media invents the news which then become a public topic. Once the news is established, people demand for new information as long as they're interested in, and thus watch the news channel or buy the papers. So media is pushed to update it's information day for day. Once people's interest declines, media invents another news to be topic number one. So we influence media, too. But not in the way that we tell them what to show / write, but how long to keep news up-to-date or which of the news to keep in program. And that's what you denied when posting "I don't think the main news is really in touch with peoples interests any more.". But beside that all I agree that mainly we're driven by media. They 'help' to build our opinion, thus having influence on our whole life.

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Paul Watson wrote: because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) I always thought Reuters was British... Mike Mullikin :beer:

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