UKIP get 4 million votes but only one seat
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SNP gets 1.5 million votes and about 60 seats. Exit polls got it all wrong or they were fixed so people think that there one vote counts towards the results when it does not because 4,000,000 people (about 20% who voted) got less than 0.5% when turned into voices. I am suprise we are not seeing riots over this like you would see in other countries and it says to me that democracy in the UK is dead. Not living in Scotland I could not vote SNP but already they have lost my respect for not saying something about UKIP being written out and Labour never had my respect in the first place and had they won then they would have blamed everything on the conservatives for the next four years so maybe its best Cameron gets to reep the results of a population that are sick and tired of being taken for fools. All these MP's are down at the bar buying each other drinks come friday and i don't think the change the UK needs will ever come from a balot box.
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SNP gets 1.5 million votes and about 60 seats. Exit polls got it all wrong or they were fixed so people think that there one vote counts towards the results when it does not because 4,000,000 people (about 20% who voted) got less than 0.5% when turned into voices. I am suprise we are not seeing riots over this like you would see in other countries and it says to me that democracy in the UK is dead. Not living in Scotland I could not vote SNP but already they have lost my respect for not saying something about UKIP being written out and Labour never had my respect in the first place and had they won then they would have blamed everything on the conservatives for the next four years so maybe its best Cameron gets to reep the results of a population that are sick and tired of being taken for fools. All these MP's are down at the bar buying each other drinks come friday and i don't think the change the UK needs will ever come from a balot box.
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If you recall it was the Lib Dems who forced through the referendum on PR. But that got thrown out because most people actually like the FPTP system. So we get the version of democracy we asked for.
Well it seems that UKIP must have had some real bad luck to play by the rules if they only took 1 seat which makes me question how the votes are counted. Even then leftists from Labour could not beleive the results. Its always other countries that we accuse of vote rigging if we don't have a puppet in power but never question vote fixing at home.
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Well it seems that UKIP must have had some real bad luck to play by the rules if they only took 1 seat which makes me question how the votes are counted. Even then leftists from Labour could not beleive the results. Its always other countries that we accuse of vote rigging if we don't have a puppet in power but never question vote fixing at home.
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SNP gets 1.5 million votes and about 60 seats. Exit polls got it all wrong or they were fixed so people think that there one vote counts towards the results when it does not because 4,000,000 people (about 20% who voted) got less than 0.5% when turned into voices. I am suprise we are not seeing riots over this like you would see in other countries and it says to me that democracy in the UK is dead. Not living in Scotland I could not vote SNP but already they have lost my respect for not saying something about UKIP being written out and Labour never had my respect in the first place and had they won then they would have blamed everything on the conservatives for the next four years so maybe its best Cameron gets to reep the results of a population that are sick and tired of being taken for fools. All these MP's are down at the bar buying each other drinks come friday and i don't think the change the UK needs will ever come from a balot box.
don't blame the system until you understand it, each seat is actually contested by an individual, who may be affiliated to a party, but its that person who gets voted to parliament, that person is responsible to his constituents. In PR you can end up with someone that, not only have you never heard of, but couldn't find his seat with two maps and a satnav. You also end up with bigwigs in the party being guaranteed a seat with the system at present you can send up with people like Balls being booted out, had this been PR the Labour party would have made sure he had a seat. You can also have the sitting MP changing allegiance something you don't get with PR. Also PR can be a big stick to avoid dissent in the party as the allocation of seats is purely at the whim of the party, p*ss them off and out you go, with FPTP that person can still stand for the seat and the party risks them retaining the seat and end up outside the party or as a member of a different party FPTP also tends to result in stronger government as it is not reliant on small parties to retain power, it also stops small parties having influence far in excess of the their popularity. No system is perfect but to say that FPTP is bad is not to understand it, it is no worse that PR.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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don't blame the system until you understand it, each seat is actually contested by an individual, who may be affiliated to a party, but its that person who gets voted to parliament, that person is responsible to his constituents. In PR you can end up with someone that, not only have you never heard of, but couldn't find his seat with two maps and a satnav. You also end up with bigwigs in the party being guaranteed a seat with the system at present you can send up with people like Balls being booted out, had this been PR the Labour party would have made sure he had a seat. You can also have the sitting MP changing allegiance something you don't get with PR. Also PR can be a big stick to avoid dissent in the party as the allocation of seats is purely at the whim of the party, p*ss them off and out you go, with FPTP that person can still stand for the seat and the party risks them retaining the seat and end up outside the party or as a member of a different party FPTP also tends to result in stronger government as it is not reliant on small parties to retain power, it also stops small parties having influence far in excess of the their popularity. No system is perfect but to say that FPTP is bad is not to understand it, it is no worse that PR.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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don't blame the system until you understand it, each seat is actually contested by an individual, who may be affiliated to a party, but its that person who gets voted to parliament, that person is responsible to his constituents. In PR you can end up with someone that, not only have you never heard of, but couldn't find his seat with two maps and a satnav. You also end up with bigwigs in the party being guaranteed a seat with the system at present you can send up with people like Balls being booted out, had this been PR the Labour party would have made sure he had a seat. You can also have the sitting MP changing allegiance something you don't get with PR. Also PR can be a big stick to avoid dissent in the party as the allocation of seats is purely at the whim of the party, p*ss them off and out you go, with FPTP that person can still stand for the seat and the party risks them retaining the seat and end up outside the party or as a member of a different party FPTP also tends to result in stronger government as it is not reliant on small parties to retain power, it also stops small parties having influence far in excess of the their popularity. No system is perfect but to say that FPTP is bad is not to understand it, it is no worse that PR.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Its not a criticism so much of PR as an observation of the fact that the geographical concentration of those relatively few SNP voters got them their 56 seats. If UKIP voters were all concentrated in the south of England for example, then they would have had near 100 seats.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I voted against PR
How did you manage that when the options on offer were FPTP or AV. PR wasn't up for anyone to vote for or against.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Its not a criticism so much of PR as an observation of the fact that the geographical concentration of those relatively few SNP voters got them their 56 seats. If UKIP voters were all concentrated in the south of England for example, then they would have had near 100 seats.
the issue then is that 1.5 mill Scotish voters have 56 seats. The system should be that it should be x MPs for x voters an MP for central Sheffield should have a constituency with the same number of voters as does one for the Highlands This is the flaw with the system not FPTP or PR but boundaries that are not set equal. the fact that geological areas results in groups of MPs is not restricted to Scotland, look how Labour tends to win in northern Cities and Conservatives in Rural
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I voted against PR
How did you manage that when the options on offer were FPTP or AV. PR wasn't up for anyone to vote for or against.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
AV is a form of PR did you miss that fact?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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AV is a form of PR did you miss that fact?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Well it seems that UKIP must have had some real bad luck to play by the rules if they only took 1 seat which makes me question how the votes are counted. Even then leftists from Labour could not beleive the results. Its always other countries that we accuse of vote rigging if we don't have a puppet in power but never question vote fixing at home.
I am always amazed of people who start on vote rigging when they lose, their has been vote rigging in this election and it is being investigated, however the instances are so low as not to have effected the result. If you haven't the support in depth in any area why should you get a say over parties that do have that support? Why should I have a local MP who not only did I not vote for but the majority in my constituency didn't vote for? PR means that you can end up with the deciding vote on an issue being decided by someone who only a small proportion of the populous would ever consider voting for, IE far right hate party or an English ISIS party or a rabid Socialist group with PR you can and will end up with these types in parliament and even worse probably in a coalition Government
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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It's really not.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
its closer to PR than FPTP it also has most of the failing of PR
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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its closer to PR than FPTP it also has most of the failing of PR
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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the issue then is that 1.5 mill Scotish voters have 56 seats. The system should be that it should be x MPs for x voters an MP for central Sheffield should have a constituency with the same number of voters as does one for the Highlands This is the flaw with the system not FPTP or PR but boundaries that are not set equal. the fact that geological areas results in groups of MPs is not restricted to Scotland, look how Labour tends to win in northern Cities and Conservatives in Rural
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
The system should be that it should be x MPs for x voters
Cameroon has plans to restructure so its fairer. Its also going to mean even less labour seats. It seems that with the loss of the working class, labour really has nothing to offer these days. (with Blairs 'New Labour' dead). I would like to have seen Farage better represented, as much as his party is a joke still; its members are ranting loonies, he himself makes a lot of sense, and represents a big chunk of UK sentiment.
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the issue then is that 1.5 mill Scotish voters have 56 seats. The system should be that it should be x MPs for x voters an MP for central Sheffield should have a constituency with the same number of voters as does one for the Highlands This is the flaw with the system not FPTP or PR but boundaries that are not set equal. the fact that geological areas results in groups of MPs is not restricted to Scotland, look how Labour tends to win in northern Cities and Conservatives in Rural
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Even if every constituency had exactly the same number of voters, it's still possible that the party with the most individual votes could lose the election. You'd still end up with people crying foul and complaining that their party didn't win. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Even if every constituency had exactly the same number of voters, it's still possible that the party with the most individual votes could lose the election. You'd still end up with people crying foul and complaining that their party didn't win. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
you could have a party for every voter and an MP for every voter and someone would still complain about unfairness
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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the issue then is that 1.5 mill Scotish voters have 56 seats. The system should be that it should be x MPs for x voters an MP for central Sheffield should have a constituency with the same number of voters as does one for the Highlands This is the flaw with the system not FPTP or PR but boundaries that are not set equal. the fact that geological areas results in groups of MPs is not restricted to Scotland, look how Labour tends to win in northern Cities and Conservatives in Rural
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
the fact that geological areas results in groups of MPs
Does that mean that granite is given more weight than sandstone?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I am always amazed of people who start on vote rigging when they lose, their has been vote rigging in this election and it is being investigated, however the instances are so low as not to have effected the result. If you haven't the support in depth in any area why should you get a say over parties that do have that support? Why should I have a local MP who not only did I not vote for but the majority in my constituency didn't vote for? PR means that you can end up with the deciding vote on an issue being decided by someone who only a small proportion of the populous would ever consider voting for, IE far right hate party or an English ISIS party or a rabid Socialist group with PR you can and will end up with these types in parliament and even worse probably in a coalition Government
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Do you dispute that 4,000,000 people voted and between them they only got one seat, a single voice to shout back at the other 400 Mp's ? Vote rigging ! Well the scotish voted a few months ago on pulling out of the UK and it was about 50/50 but now we are presented with 90% of scots just a few months later all voting SNP. It could be because the british put up death taxes or scots didn't like the old boss of the party, it could be this or that or it could just be something does not quite add up with the numbers and it was fixed. I don't have the answers but i do have a few facts.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
but never question vote fixing at home.
What vote fixing; do you actually understand how our electoral system operates?
Wot like first past the post Do you understand electronic votes have been proved to be fixed by a man who wrote the software for these machiness in the USA Vote fixing has gone on all over the world for years and not just in places that the BBC wants to point it out. I can agree PR (Look that up if you don't know what it means) is not the best system but i still say soemthing is wrong when a party keeps coming close but never quites wins a seat and if it was all down to the way votes are counted then the Lib-Dems would also only have about one seat. What i do know is numbers don't lie
