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XH558 display this year - her last season of flight

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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    Get a copy of *Vulcan 607*, it is fascinating what they had to do. Apart from anything, the Vulcans were all but ready to be disbanded, they had no one who knew how to fly refuelling in one, the release mechanism wasn't suitable for multiple bombs and there was no real air-to-air on them.

    veni bibi saltavi

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    I did read a book about those missions many years ago, but I'm pretty sure it was another book.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      I did read a book about those missions many years ago, but I'm pretty sure it was another book.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      glennPattonPub
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      I'm with Nagy read Vulcan 607, only then the sheer lunacy of Black Buck is revealed (attempts to seal pressure seal on a window with sandwich wrappers). Roland White wrote it after the 25 year limit on secrets was lifted. It was a typical lash up op that the we Brits are famous for!

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        I'm with Nagy read Vulcan 607, only then the sheer lunacy of Black Buck is revealed (attempts to seal pressure seal on a window with sandwich wrappers). Roland White wrote it after the 25 year limit on secrets was lifted. It was a typical lash up op that the we Brits are famous for!

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        Ok, it's on my wish list.

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          She is the last airworthy Vulcan, but sadly her flying days end this year. I have been able to see her both static and flying and the Vulcan is the bog's dollocks of all Cold War aircraft. No-one, with the exception of the garrison at Port Stanley in May 1982, has witnessed her majesty and not found it a life-lifting experience. If you get the chance this summer, go and see her. Here[^] is her current schedule; it will be regularly updated.

          veni bibi saltavi

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          R Giskard Reventlov
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          Rare Photographs Show Vulcan Bomber Mock-up from Bond Film Thunderball [^] Was a beautiful plane, along with the spitfire and lightning. I had airfix models of them all when I were a nipper.

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            They had problems with the Tornado, the Victor's maximum airspeed was below the Tornado's stall speed. They fixed it by... ... flying the Victor in a downward parabola, reminiscent of the Vommit Commit, with the Tornado in tow. :laugh:

            veni bibi saltavi

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            Simon ORiordan from UK
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            Rubbish. The Victor flew at M0.95. Any plane that stalled under Mach 1 would never get off the ground. Also the Victor could carry 48,000 pounds of ordnance as standard, with up to 70,000 overload, and could go slightly supersonic in a shallow dive. The ex-chief aerodynamicist of Handley Page was one of my lecturers in the late 70's, so you can be sure I didn't get these facts off some stupid internet site.

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            • G glennPattonPub

              Also If you haven't read Vulcan 607 makes you think. I have seen her twice in the air also I have seen most but not all Vulcans that are preserved, while the Victor was the most Sci-Fi looking the Vulcan did the job the best!

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              Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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              They have a Victor at the Yorkshire Air Museum, its a non flyer but it does do thunder runs up and down the runway - and its a bit loud - not sure about the pink colour scheme though

              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                It was too slow for the Vulcans

                The top speed of the Vulcan was only 29 km/h higher than the Victor, I feel you are a bit picky here, Shirley they can let of the accelerator a tiniest bit while refuelling. The Victor was better than the Vulcan in most areas until the RAF changed tactics and decided to do low level bombing instead of flying at max height. Something the airframe of the Victor wasn't good enough for.

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                Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                The Vulcan was wonderful aircraft and would rings round the Victor, the Victor was a bomb hauler in the traditional heavy bomber mode, the Vulcan could out turn fighters at altitude, it was this that gave the Vulcan its longevity, it could do amazing things for such huge aircraft

                You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                  They have a Victor at the Yorkshire Air Museum, its a non flyer but it does do thunder runs up and down the runway - and its a bit loud - not sure about the pink colour scheme though

                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                  I think, I am not sure that is the one that 'hopped' accidently started to take off a couple of years ago! :-D

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                    I think, I am not sure that is the one that 'hopped' accidently started to take off a couple of years ago! :-D

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                    Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                    not sure that something the size of victor could take off accidentally It actually sounds like a variation of the famous boxkite incident at Old Warden where that actually happened

                    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                    • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                      not sure that something the size of victor could take off accidentally It actually sounds like a variation of the famous boxkite incident at Old Warden where that actually happened

                      You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                      Mmm...must admit I did think 'really?' if it did what sort of <> are allowed at the controls?? :omg:

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