Use of torture in interrogation

Roger Wright

Torture is a perfectly acceptable way to obtain information, so long as you are willing to admit that you are as morally bereft as your victim subject. It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

Nitron

voodoopriestess wrote: For the record - I'm British and am against the (pending?) war against Iraq! As an American, I am not. It is the job of the president of the United States to protect the saftey of the American people. If there are people who believe Iraq is no threat, that is fine. It is good that these people can express that opinion. However, IMO the cost of doing nothing is a risk I would not want my leader to take. Although the peace-mongers oppose the use of force in Iraq, I would never wish upon them the lesson learned by the attack on my country. - Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

ColinDavies

Better be a live barbarian than a dead crusader. Regardz Colin J Davies

Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

Christian Graus

More to the point, how can you even know any info you get is accurate ? But I agree, the barbarity and sinking to their level makes it not an option. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Jack Puppy

Out of all the things that could be done to someone, do you honestly think that blindfolding and tying someone up to a stretcher is a "barbaric" form of torture? Oh those warm, fuzzy terrorists usually do this, but of course they'll follow it up by lopping/blasting the victims head off after a certain amount of time. I think that's the only real minor difference I see. It's a real simple choice for me if the information gained saves London from a chemical attack, or San Franscico from a dirty bomb, or Rome from a tampered food supply, etc, etc. Unfortunately I value ordinary people's lives much more than a bunch of scumbags who spend most of their day plotting ways to kill people.

bryce

voodoopriestess wrote: The Americans decry what happened to them as terrorism yet they supply several countries with weapons and other items. They don't do anything about Israel / Palestine or Southern Africa. erm to disagree with your commonly held misconception, the states does and has indeed work(ed) very ard to help sort out the israel / palestine issue. as for south africa, which part do you take exception to? Bryce

Lost User

Tim Smith wrote: How many of you have actually been to an Amnesty International meeting or fundraiser? The silence is deafening! This crowd is mostly impotent. Mike Mullikin :beer:

Women: You can't live with them, and you can't get them to dress up in a skimpy Nazi costume and beat you with a warm squash. - Emo Phillips

Lost User

Russell Morris wrote: Look at how stable and close the relationship between the US and Japan is. Look at how close the US and England are. Hey! What about Australia? Our relationship is so close that our Prime Minister has his lips and tongue wedged firmly up George Dubya's arse. ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002

Eddie Velasquez

Christian Graus wrote: More to the point, how can you even know any info you get is accurate Bad info means more pain. Christian Graus wrote: the barbarity and sinking to their level makes it not an option. It's a simple matter of survival. When someone isn't willing to respect my life no matter what, I have no other alternative than choosing life... mine.

There are only 10 kind of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

Christian Graus

Thanks for that, Torquemada Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

bryce

i disagree if you dont get the information out of the bugger then more people will be the victims of these bastards, you also have to send a strong "do not **** with us" message to people involved in these sorts of behaviour. Bryce

bryce

tidge wrote: t is not o.k. to kill a person that is surrendering, because they are surrendering, hence, not fighting anymore it depends onthe situation you're look a right dick if they messed you up when you relaxed your guard because they were "surrendering" Bryce

bryce

that taliban joker lost all "poor me" rights the moment they drove planes into buildings i couldnt give a toss if they drugged beat electrocuted the sod who after all is _directly_ responsible for the death of how many people? and the first person who bangs on about "war" and leaders like bush et al and attempts to draw a conclusion that any war is morally the same as the sept 11 events (ergo we shouldnt be treating these terrorists badly because it makes us as bad as them) will be first up against the wall to be shot :) Bryce

bryce

you would then look pretty silly if you later found out that the subject had information that had you obtained it, woudl have saved the lives of many people. You have the moral highground if you want to call it that, in that your purpose is to stop/prevent terrorism and therefore save the lives it would take. Bryce

Christian Graus

bryce wrote: you would then look pretty silly if you later found out that the subject had information that had you obtained it, woudl have saved the lives of many people. Or you could look like a human being when the shooting stops. Your choice, really. You can always justify evil. So can they. The question is, do you want to ? The alternative being put forward is probably closer to the truth, America is as barbaric and as bloodthirsty as Saddam Hussein, just encumbered with a veneer of respectability. Have you read the book 1984 ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

bryce

Christian Graus wrote: Or you could look like a human being when the shooting stops. Your choice, really. You can always justify evil. So can they. The question is, do you want to ? tell ya what, i'll go for saving lives. And if people knew after the fact that you had in your custody someone who could give you information which would have averted a terrorist act which then cost lives, they would be quite rightly very pissed off with you for not attempting to get the information. Torture is not "evil" its a means to an end. Christian Graus wrote: The alternative being put forward is probably closer to the truth, America is as barbaric and as bloodthirsty as Saddam Hussein, just encumbered with a veneer of respectability thats a typical anti american left wing misconception. I know you to be smarter than this christian. 1984 george orwell....more apt for a communist/dictatorial state than the the likes of australia or USA. bryce

Christian Graus

bryce wrote: Torture is not "evil" its a means to an end. I sincerely hope that you are sent to war, are captured and tortured. It might pull your views into what I like to call 'the real world'. bryce wrote: thats a typical anti american left wing misconception. I know you to be smarter than this christian. I said closer to the truth, not the absolute truth. I don't think it's that simple, nor do I think it's as simply as black and white hats. bryce wrote: 1984 george orwell....more apt for a communist/dictatorial state than the the likes of australia or USA. I was thinking of the sequence where the main character agrees to maim children and so on if it will further the cause of the revolution, and then at the end, those same words were replayed to show him the unrighteousness of his cause. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

bryce

Christian Graus wrote: I sincerely hope that you are sent to war, are captured and tortured. It might pull your views into what I like to call 'the real world'. and i dare you to say that to me in a pub. My guess is you've never even been in a decent fistfight. Christian Graus wrote: I said closer to the truth, not the absolute truth. I don't think it's that simple, nor do I think it's as simply as black and white hats. no its your "version" of the truth. Christian Graus wrote: I was thinking of the sequence where the main character agrees to maim children and so on if it will further the cause of the revolution, and then at the end, those same words were replayed to show him the unrighteousness of his cause. *yawn*

ColinDavies

Being named after a good drink must have made him looney. Regardz Colin J Davies

Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

Christian Graus

bryce wrote: and i dare you to say that to me in a pub. I'm sorry, you wouldn't even find me there. bryce wrote: My guess is you've never even been in a decent fistfight As opposed to an indecent one ? I didn't expect that people over the age of 14 thought that was the way to judge someones worth as a human being. bryce wrote: no its your "version" of the truth. Actually, it appears to be yours. You're the one wanting to cut peoples ears off and yell 'you vill tell us ze truth', not GWB. bryce wrote: *yawn* I can't help your being illiterate or unable to think beyond the level of a single celled organism. If you honestly think that you can do any evil you like in the cause of good, then I urge you to bring your thinking into the 20th century. Not that I could care less, but it might benefit you in the long run. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic