Use of torture in interrogation

[Lost User]

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[Eddie Velasquez]

Christian Graus wrote: More to the point, how can you even know any info you get is accurate Bad info means more pain. Christian Graus wrote: the barbarity and sinking to their level makes it not an option. It's a simple matter of survival. When someone isn't willing to respect my life no matter what, I have no other alternative than choosing life... mine.

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[Christian Graus]

Thanks for that, Torquemada Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

i disagree if you dont get the information out of the bugger then more people will be the victims of these bastards, you also have to send a strong "do not **** with us" message to people involved in these sorts of behaviour. Bryce

[bryce]

tidge wrote: t is not o.k. to kill a person that is surrendering, because they are surrendering, hence, not fighting anymore it depends onthe situation you're look a right dick if they messed you up when you relaxed your guard because they were "surrendering" Bryce

[bryce]

that taliban joker lost all "poor me" rights the moment they drove planes into buildings i couldnt give a toss if they drugged beat electrocuted the sod who after all is _directly_ responsible for the death of how many people? and the first person who bangs on about "war" and leaders like bush et al and attempts to draw a conclusion that any war is morally the same as the sept 11 events (ergo we shouldnt be treating these terrorists badly because it makes us as bad as them) will be first up against the wall to be shot :) Bryce

[bryce]

you would then look pretty silly if you later found out that the subject had information that had you obtained it, woudl have saved the lives of many people. You have the moral highground if you want to call it that, in that your purpose is to stop/prevent terrorism and therefore save the lives it would take. Bryce

[Christian Graus]

bryce wrote: you would then look pretty silly if you later found out that the subject had information that had you obtained it, woudl have saved the lives of many people. Or you could look like a human being when the shooting stops. Your choice, really. You can always justify evil. So can they. The question is, do you want to ? The alternative being put forward is probably closer to the truth, America is as barbaric and as bloodthirsty as Saddam Hussein, just encumbered with a veneer of respectability. Have you read the book 1984 ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

Christian Graus wrote: Or you could look like a human being when the shooting stops. Your choice, really. You can always justify evil. So can they. The question is, do you want to ? tell ya what, i'll go for saving lives. And if people knew after the fact that you had in your custody someone who could give you information which would have averted a terrorist act which then cost lives, they would be quite rightly very pissed off with you for not attempting to get the information. Torture is not "evil" its a means to an end. Christian Graus wrote: The alternative being put forward is probably closer to the truth, America is as barbaric and as bloodthirsty as Saddam Hussein, just encumbered with a veneer of respectability thats a typical anti american left wing misconception. I know you to be smarter than this christian. 1984 george orwell....more apt for a communist/dictatorial state than the the likes of australia or USA. bryce

[Christian Graus]

bryce wrote: Torture is not "evil" its a means to an end. I sincerely hope that you are sent to war, are captured and tortured. It might pull your views into what I like to call 'the real world'. bryce wrote: thats a typical anti american left wing misconception. I know you to be smarter than this christian. I said closer to the truth, not the absolute truth. I don't think it's that simple, nor do I think it's as simply as black and white hats. bryce wrote: 1984 george orwell....more apt for a communist/dictatorial state than the the likes of australia or USA. I was thinking of the sequence where the main character agrees to maim children and so on if it will further the cause of the revolution, and then at the end, those same words were replayed to show him the unrighteousness of his cause. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

Christian Graus wrote: I sincerely hope that you are sent to war, are captured and tortured. It might pull your views into what I like to call 'the real world'. and i dare you to say that to me in a pub. My guess is you've never even been in a decent fistfight. Christian Graus wrote: I said closer to the truth, not the absolute truth. I don't think it's that simple, nor do I think it's as simply as black and white hats. no its your "version" of the truth. Christian Graus wrote: I was thinking of the sequence where the main character agrees to maim children and so on if it will further the cause of the revolution, and then at the end, those same words were replayed to show him the unrighteousness of his cause. *yawn*

[ColinDavies]

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[Christian Graus]

bryce wrote: and i dare you to say that to me in a pub. I'm sorry, you wouldn't even find me there. bryce wrote: My guess is you've never even been in a decent fistfight As opposed to an indecent one ? I didn't expect that people over the age of 14 thought that was the way to judge someones worth as a human being. bryce wrote: no its your "version" of the truth. Actually, it appears to be yours. You're the one wanting to cut peoples ears off and yell 'you vill tell us ze truth', not GWB. bryce wrote: *yawn* I can't help your being illiterate or unable to think beyond the level of a single celled organism. If you honestly think that you can do any evil you like in the cause of good, then I urge you to bring your thinking into the 20th century. Not that I could care less, but it might benefit you in the long run. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[Sean Winstead]

I sincerely hope that you are sent to war, are captured and tortured. It might pull your views into what I like to call 'the real world'. That's odd. At one point you're talking about how barbaric and bloodthirsty America is and at the next you're wishing pain and torture upon someone. I'm not giving your words much credit. If you were honest with yourself, you'd agree that you are one tough situation away from losing your own high-minded words and talk of civility, just like the rest of us. Sean Winstead

[Sean Winstead]

They don't do anything about Israel / Palestine or Southern Africa. Yeah, the Palestinians. Let's help a group of people that like to kill their own people as well as Israelis. You can't help people like that. Sean Winstead

[Christian Graus]

Sean Winstead wrote: at the next you're wishing pain and torture upon someone. I regretted that as soon as I posted it. It's not what I meant, I simply meant that if he WERE in such a situation, I'm sure he would think differently about if it's a reasonable way to act in times of war ( which in theory we are not yet in anyhow ). If he had not replied as he had, I would probably have edited my post to better reflect my intent. Sean Winstead wrote: I'm not giving your words much credit. Give me as much or little credit as you like. That's up to you, and I'm not seeking anything. Sean Winstead wrote: If you were honest with yourself, you'd agree that you are one tough situation away from losing your own high-minded words and talk of civility, just like the rest of us. No, I honestly don't think that there is any situation in which I would torture someone. I'm shocked to be standing alone in this. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

Christian Graus wrote: As opposed to an indecent one ? I didn't expect that people over the age of 14 thought that was the way to judge someones worth as a human being. no christian, inthe "real world" spouting off telling someone your hope they were sent off to war and then tortured or the like is _not_ the smart way to get your point across and there are many mahy places where you would be rewarded for your views with a hiding. Now i teach people how to defend themselves against unwanted phsyical attention, and one of the aspects i teach is knowing when and where to spout your views...for in the "real world" your views can have you in a world of trouble. But you'd know that if you spent time in a few pubs. Now, you're not for torture, you're all for being very nice to everyone and i expect you're a pretty nice guy if i met you in real life. You're also entitled to your views and you're entitled to express them. But don't forget...so am I, and you got yourself nicely wound up and suggested i be sent off for a little torture...and i felt it was uncalled for you to do so. oh Christian Graus wrote: I can't help your being illiterate it's "you're" in that context :) bryce

[Christian Graus]

bryce wrote: But you'd know that if you spent time in a few pubs. Well, actually, I don't go, as I said. And as I said to someone else, that's not quite what I meant, but I didn't get a chance to change it before you replied, and then I was too annoyed at the 'how many fist fights have you been in comment' to bother. bryce wrote: you're all for being very nice to everyone I'm all for maintaining my humanity, yes. I'm all for winning without becoming what you claim to despise. bryce wrote: Christian Graus wrote: I can't help your being illiterate it's "you're" in that context No, it's not. you're is a contraction of 'you are'. 'I can't help you are being illiterate' ? That's Engrish, but it's not English. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[paulb]

Jack Rabbit wrote: Out of all the things that could be done to someone, do you honestly think that blindfolding and tying someone up to a stretcher is a "barbaric" form of torture? I don't know how long he was like that but I cant imagine the torture it would be to be tied down like that unable to move even for an hour or so. Have you ever seen the movie Seven, the 'Sloth' scene where the guy has been tied to his bed for 12 months unable to move, that is always the scene I remember from that movie. Not that its got much to do with this but anyway.

[Richard Stringer]

Nishant S wrote: You think there will be streets left there after continuous bombing for several hrs or even days? Nish; Are you too young and naive to really have an opinion other than echoing the "NO WAR AT ANY COST" chant? Have you ever thought that war in its many manifstation is the primary factor in shaping civilization and we will never be succesful at eliminating it without changing human nature itself. If war is bad it is ALWAYS bad - If that were true than WWI was bad WWII was bad. The Revolution was bad. Unless you think that SOME wars are good. All this talk about killing innocent people - destroying this - damaging that - its all so much pablum for those who are against anything. If you agree that Sad Damn is bad - that he is a tyrant - that he has weapons that in the hands of terrorists would and could inflict great damage - that he has not fulfilled his obligations as stated in 1990 and since restated by the UN then just what would you have done? More talk ? Thats been going on for 12 years with no discernible effect. Maybe you want to go over there and reason with Sad Damn yourself ? Or do you think you would ever live thru that ? We - and by we I mean most nations - have tried to isolate him but that didn't work either. Or would you rather just sit by the side of the road - ignore the problem and hope it goes away - and when the man commits another atrocity say "Oh Well - Bush should have got him when he had the chance". I wait with anticipation for your solution to the problem - if you even think that there is a problem. I understand the real reason that France and Germany don't want war - they are afraid that the world will find out just how much contraband materials that they have sold to Iraq. Russia wants the oil deal - Whats your reason. Sure some innocent people will die. And i say that from the view point of a combat vet - I been there and done that - but far fewer than will die if nothing is done. Richard I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein