Use of torture in interrogation

[Sean Winstead]

I sincerely hope that you are sent to war, are captured and tortured. It might pull your views into what I like to call 'the real world'. That's odd. At one point you're talking about how barbaric and bloodthirsty America is and at the next you're wishing pain and torture upon someone. I'm not giving your words much credit. If you were honest with yourself, you'd agree that you are one tough situation away from losing your own high-minded words and talk of civility, just like the rest of us. Sean Winstead

[Sean Winstead]

They don't do anything about Israel / Palestine or Southern Africa. Yeah, the Palestinians. Let's help a group of people that like to kill their own people as well as Israelis. You can't help people like that. Sean Winstead

[Christian Graus]

Sean Winstead wrote: at the next you're wishing pain and torture upon someone. I regretted that as soon as I posted it. It's not what I meant, I simply meant that if he WERE in such a situation, I'm sure he would think differently about if it's a reasonable way to act in times of war ( which in theory we are not yet in anyhow ). If he had not replied as he had, I would probably have edited my post to better reflect my intent. Sean Winstead wrote: I'm not giving your words much credit. Give me as much or little credit as you like. That's up to you, and I'm not seeking anything. Sean Winstead wrote: If you were honest with yourself, you'd agree that you are one tough situation away from losing your own high-minded words and talk of civility, just like the rest of us. No, I honestly don't think that there is any situation in which I would torture someone. I'm shocked to be standing alone in this. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

Christian Graus wrote: As opposed to an indecent one ? I didn't expect that people over the age of 14 thought that was the way to judge someones worth as a human being. no christian, inthe "real world" spouting off telling someone your hope they were sent off to war and then tortured or the like is _not_ the smart way to get your point across and there are many mahy places where you would be rewarded for your views with a hiding. Now i teach people how to defend themselves against unwanted phsyical attention, and one of the aspects i teach is knowing when and where to spout your views...for in the "real world" your views can have you in a world of trouble. But you'd know that if you spent time in a few pubs. Now, you're not for torture, you're all for being very nice to everyone and i expect you're a pretty nice guy if i met you in real life. You're also entitled to your views and you're entitled to express them. But don't forget...so am I, and you got yourself nicely wound up and suggested i be sent off for a little torture...and i felt it was uncalled for you to do so. oh Christian Graus wrote: I can't help your being illiterate it's "you're" in that context :) bryce

[Christian Graus]

bryce wrote: But you'd know that if you spent time in a few pubs. Well, actually, I don't go, as I said. And as I said to someone else, that's not quite what I meant, but I didn't get a chance to change it before you replied, and then I was too annoyed at the 'how many fist fights have you been in comment' to bother. bryce wrote: you're all for being very nice to everyone I'm all for maintaining my humanity, yes. I'm all for winning without becoming what you claim to despise. bryce wrote: Christian Graus wrote: I can't help your being illiterate it's "you're" in that context No, it's not. you're is a contraction of 'you are'. 'I can't help you are being illiterate' ? That's Engrish, but it's not English. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[paulb]

Jack Rabbit wrote: Out of all the things that could be done to someone, do you honestly think that blindfolding and tying someone up to a stretcher is a "barbaric" form of torture? I don't know how long he was like that but I cant imagine the torture it would be to be tied down like that unable to move even for an hour or so. Have you ever seen the movie Seven, the 'Sloth' scene where the guy has been tied to his bed for 12 months unable to move, that is always the scene I remember from that movie. Not that its got much to do with this but anyway.

[Richard Stringer]

Nishant S wrote: You think there will be streets left there after continuous bombing for several hrs or even days? Nish; Are you too young and naive to really have an opinion other than echoing the "NO WAR AT ANY COST" chant? Have you ever thought that war in its many manifstation is the primary factor in shaping civilization and we will never be succesful at eliminating it without changing human nature itself. If war is bad it is ALWAYS bad - If that were true than WWI was bad WWII was bad. The Revolution was bad. Unless you think that SOME wars are good. All this talk about killing innocent people - destroying this - damaging that - its all so much pablum for those who are against anything. If you agree that Sad Damn is bad - that he is a tyrant - that he has weapons that in the hands of terrorists would and could inflict great damage - that he has not fulfilled his obligations as stated in 1990 and since restated by the UN then just what would you have done? More talk ? Thats been going on for 12 years with no discernible effect. Maybe you want to go over there and reason with Sad Damn yourself ? Or do you think you would ever live thru that ? We - and by we I mean most nations - have tried to isolate him but that didn't work either. Or would you rather just sit by the side of the road - ignore the problem and hope it goes away - and when the man commits another atrocity say "Oh Well - Bush should have got him when he had the chance". I wait with anticipation for your solution to the problem - if you even think that there is a problem. I understand the real reason that France and Germany don't want war - they are afraid that the world will find out just how much contraband materials that they have sold to Iraq. Russia wants the oil deal - Whats your reason. Sure some innocent people will die. And i say that from the view point of a combat vet - I been there and done that - but far fewer than will die if nothing is done. Richard I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein

[bryce]

tell me something, hypothetical situation you're on a plane, the plane gets hijacked...you find yourself (somehow or other) in a postion to take out the hijacker, but he'll get knocked out, possibly killed. Would you take him out? Bryce

[Jim A Johnson]

Chris Losinger wrote: and one USian No, most USian's. Including me.

[Christian Graus]

Of course. How is that the same as torturing someone you've already captured ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

Christian Graus wrote: it's "you're" in that context No, it's not. you're is a contraction of 'you are'. 'I can't help you are being illiterate' ? That's Engrish, but it's not English. oh smeg i misread what you said, as opposed to not being able to read :) bryce

[Jim A Johnson]

Your signature is ironic considering your viewpoint. Dosn't you realize that the Bush fiasco is pushing us closer to nuclear war than we've ever been? If not, read up on North Korea and India/Pakistan. You've heard of thise countries, I'm sure.. sometimes Fox News will run little blurbes about them at the bottom of the screen during their cheerleading sessions. To assume that anyone opposing this particular absurd war is against all wars is naive at best.

[Nish Nishant]

Hello Richard, I find it ironic that you have that signature on your post and yet you seem to encourage war as a means of progress for the human race. I admit that wars of some sort have always occured since the inception of civilization on this planet. But those wars were always when two opposing groups/nations just had to fight it out or else run the risk of the other taking over their country/tribe. I do not deny the fact the Saddam Hussain is a dangerous man. But what I cannot understand is how Saddam can be a greater threat to US/world peace than some of the other countries. I wont mention any names as I am not keen on an emotional flame war right now, but there are at least 2-3 other countries that encourage terrorism at a far greater level than Saddam does or Saddam can if he tried. But for various reasons neither Bush nor his pet followers seem to be interested in these countries. If US really wants to go for war, then it would be far more honest an approach to stop pushing and pulling with the UN ,and to simply say that for personal reasons Bush wants to oust Saddam. But let me ask you, do you really think that getting rid of Saddam is going to solve the terrorist issue? Ha! That'd be something, wouldn't it? This war would simply result in the formation of a few more terrorist organizations that would train suicide squads to kill more innocent americans! As for your first sentence I am not young and regarding whether I am naive or not, I am not naive enough to comment on that. Regards, Nish

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[Christian Graus]

They, cool. A Red Dwarf fan. Series one is just out on DVD here. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

ok now lets say they have a bomb planted on the plane and you dont know where it is ...and to stop the plane from getting blown up (coz its on a timer and u dont have enough time to land) and the plane is jam packed fullof kiddies, babies and mothers and all the sweetest little bunny rabbits now....how are you going to find that bomb? Bryce

[Christian Graus]

If they intend to die, then they are unlikely to relent in the time frame you're giving me, so the hypothetical is flawed. It's also flawed because you're assuming that I could find it, and that I could do something about it ( i.e. that I could defuse it, or it had a nice big 'off' button ). I don't believe this would happen, but if it did, I would doubt the usefulness of hanging them out of the plane or putting pins under their fingernails. I certainly don't believe I would do it. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[bryce]

come on christian...the clock is ticking and you still havn't found that bomb.... Bryce

[bryce]

ok christian YOUR mum and dad are also on the plane your wife is pregnant and your children are also sitting beside you you are the only one who can save the plane full of mums and dads and kiddies and the CUTEST bunnies....are you going to let your family die because your dont like the thought of putting someone else in pain ? Bryce

[Christian Graus]

1. I don't think that the presence of people I care about changes much, they have no more right to live than anyone else. 2. I didn't say I would be sitting idle, only that my solution would not be to start chopping off fingers. 3. What I may do as an individual in a heat of the moment situation does not translate well to what the state should decide is appropriate behaviour on a national level. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

[Richard Stringer]

I amgonna be nice. I promised myself I was gonna be nice but you semi educated simple simons make it very very hard. Jim A. Johnson wrote: Dosn't you realize that the Bush fiasco is pushing us closer to nuclear war than we've ever been? Were you alive in 62 ? Bush Fiasco ? Give me a flipping break. Jim A. Johnson wrote: If not, read up on North Korea and India/Pakistan. How are they gonna get a bomb to us - on a donkey cart. They are far to smart to start a nuclear exchange with the US. Jim A. Johnson wrote: You've heard of thise countries, I'm sure. Well not really - I just had my wife them up in my Big Print Geography Book cause she can read better then me- When I went to school we didn't learn no geography and stuff like that - just finger painting and basket weaving and tensor calculus and other useless stuff -just goes to show how things have improved for the later generations. Bet its fun knowing about all them exotic places with elephants and tigers and stuff - Whooeee. Jim A. Johnson wrote: sometimes Fox News will run little blurbes about them at the bottom of the screen during their cheerleading sessions. I prefer the History Channel - give it a try Jim A. Johnson wrote: To assume that anyone opposing this particular absurd war is against all wars is naive at best. Same crowd was around for WWI - WWII - Korea - Vietnam - Gulf War giving the same gloom and doom scenario. Live and learn. Richard I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein