Use of torture in interrogation

paulb

Jack Rabbit wrote: Out of all the things that could be done to someone, do you honestly think that blindfolding and tying someone up to a stretcher is a "barbaric" form of torture? I don't know how long he was like that but I cant imagine the torture it would be to be tied down like that unable to move even for an hour or so. Have you ever seen the movie Seven, the 'Sloth' scene where the guy has been tied to his bed for 12 months unable to move, that is always the scene I remember from that movie. Not that its got much to do with this but anyway.

Richard Stringer

Nishant S wrote: You think there will be streets left there after continuous bombing for several hrs or even days? Nish; Are you too young and naive to really have an opinion other than echoing the "NO WAR AT ANY COST" chant? Have you ever thought that war in its many manifstation is the primary factor in shaping civilization and we will never be succesful at eliminating it without changing human nature itself. If war is bad it is ALWAYS bad - If that were true than WWI was bad WWII was bad. The Revolution was bad. Unless you think that SOME wars are good. All this talk about killing innocent people - destroying this - damaging that - its all so much pablum for those who are against anything. If you agree that Sad Damn is bad - that he is a tyrant - that he has weapons that in the hands of terrorists would and could inflict great damage - that he has not fulfilled his obligations as stated in 1990 and since restated by the UN then just what would you have done? More talk ? Thats been going on for 12 years with no discernible effect. Maybe you want to go over there and reason with Sad Damn yourself ? Or do you think you would ever live thru that ? We - and by we I mean most nations - have tried to isolate him but that didn't work either. Or would you rather just sit by the side of the road - ignore the problem and hope it goes away - and when the man commits another atrocity say "Oh Well - Bush should have got him when he had the chance". I wait with anticipation for your solution to the problem - if you even think that there is a problem. I understand the real reason that France and Germany don't want war - they are afraid that the world will find out just how much contraband materials that they have sold to Iraq. Russia wants the oil deal - Whats your reason. Sure some innocent people will die. And i say that from the view point of a combat vet - I been there and done that - but far fewer than will die if nothing is done. Richard I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein

bryce

tell me something, hypothetical situation you're on a plane, the plane gets hijacked...you find yourself (somehow or other) in a postion to take out the hijacker, but he'll get knocked out, possibly killed. Would you take him out? Bryce

Jim A Johnson

Chris Losinger wrote: and one USian No, most USian's. Including me.

Christian Graus

Of course. How is that the same as torturing someone you've already captured ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

bryce

Christian Graus wrote: it's "you're" in that context No, it's not. you're is a contraction of 'you are'. 'I can't help you are being illiterate' ? That's Engrish, but it's not English. oh smeg i misread what you said, as opposed to not being able to read :) bryce

Jim A Johnson

Your signature is ironic considering your viewpoint. Dosn't you realize that the Bush fiasco is pushing us closer to nuclear war than we've ever been? If not, read up on North Korea and India/Pakistan. You've heard of thise countries, I'm sure.. sometimes Fox News will run little blurbes about them at the bottom of the screen during their cheerleading sessions. To assume that anyone opposing this particular absurd war is against all wars is naive at best.

Nish Nishant

Hello Richard, I find it ironic that you have that signature on your post and yet you seem to encourage war as a means of progress for the human race. I admit that wars of some sort have always occured since the inception of civilization on this planet. But those wars were always when two opposing groups/nations just had to fight it out or else run the risk of the other taking over their country/tribe. I do not deny the fact the Saddam Hussain is a dangerous man. But what I cannot understand is how Saddam can be a greater threat to US/world peace than some of the other countries. I wont mention any names as I am not keen on an emotional flame war right now, but there are at least 2-3 other countries that encourage terrorism at a far greater level than Saddam does or Saddam can if he tried. But for various reasons neither Bush nor his pet followers seem to be interested in these countries. If US really wants to go for war, then it would be far more honest an approach to stop pushing and pulling with the UN ,and to simply say that for personal reasons Bush wants to oust Saddam. But let me ask you, do you really think that getting rid of Saddam is going to solve the terrorist issue? Ha! That'd be something, wouldn't it? This war would simply result in the formation of a few more terrorist organizations that would train suicide squads to kill more innocent americans! As for your first sentence I am not young and regarding whether I am naive or not, I am not naive enough to comment on that. Regards, Nish

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bryce

ok now lets say they have a bomb planted on the plane and you dont know where it is ...and to stop the plane from getting blown up (coz its on a timer and u dont have enough time to land) and the plane is jam packed fullof kiddies, babies and mothers and all the sweetest little bunny rabbits now....how are you going to find that bomb? Bryce

Christian Graus

They, cool. A Red Dwarf fan. Series one is just out on DVD here. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

bryce

come on christian...the clock is ticking and you still havn't found that bomb.... Bryce

Christian Graus

If they intend to die, then they are unlikely to relent in the time frame you're giving me, so the hypothetical is flawed. It's also flawed because you're assuming that I could find it, and that I could do something about it ( i.e. that I could defuse it, or it had a nice big 'off' button ). I don't believe this would happen, but if it did, I would doubt the usefulness of hanging them out of the plane or putting pins under their fingernails. I certainly don't believe I would do it. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

bryce

ok christian YOUR mum and dad are also on the plane your wife is pregnant and your children are also sitting beside you you are the only one who can save the plane full of mums and dads and kiddies and the CUTEST bunnies....are you going to let your family die because your dont like the thought of putting someone else in pain ? Bryce

Christian Graus

1. I don't think that the presence of people I care about changes much, they have no more right to live than anyone else. 2. I didn't say I would be sitting idle, only that my solution would not be to start chopping off fingers. 3. What I may do as an individual in a heat of the moment situation does not translate well to what the state should decide is appropriate behaviour on a national level. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Richard Stringer

I amgonna be nice. I promised myself I was gonna be nice but you semi educated simple simons make it very very hard. Jim A. Johnson wrote: Dosn't you realize that the Bush fiasco is pushing us closer to nuclear war than we've ever been? Were you alive in 62 ? Bush Fiasco ? Give me a flipping break. Jim A. Johnson wrote: If not, read up on North Korea and India/Pakistan. How are they gonna get a bomb to us - on a donkey cart. They are far to smart to start a nuclear exchange with the US. Jim A. Johnson wrote: You've heard of thise countries, I'm sure. Well not really - I just had my wife them up in my Big Print Geography Book cause she can read better then me- When I went to school we didn't learn no geography and stuff like that - just finger painting and basket weaving and tensor calculus and other useless stuff -just goes to show how things have improved for the later generations. Bet its fun knowing about all them exotic places with elephants and tigers and stuff - Whooeee. Jim A. Johnson wrote: sometimes Fox News will run little blurbes about them at the bottom of the screen during their cheerleading sessions. I prefer the History Channel - give it a try Jim A. Johnson wrote: To assume that anyone opposing this particular absurd war is against all wars is naive at best. Same crowd was around for WWI - WWII - Korea - Vietnam - Gulf War giving the same gloom and doom scenario. Live and learn. Richard I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein

Richard Stringer

Nishant S wrote: I find it ironic that you have that signature on your post and yet you seem to encourage war as a means of progress for the human race Yea - Thats what is known as a condunrum. Historically war is the catalyst of both change and innovation - from the use of metal hulled ships to viable commercial air travel to antibiotics to computers to lasers to space travel to the GPS system to plastics- all these and many more are directly descended from warfsre. Nishant S wrote: But those wars were always when two opposing groups/nations just had to fight it out or else run the risk of the other taking over their country/tribe I won't go into this because I know that you are an educated person and will realize the absurdity of the statment. Nishant S wrote: do not deny the fact the Saddam Hussain is a dangerous man. But what I cannot understand is how Saddam can be a greater threat to US/world peace than some of the other countries He may not be number one but hes the first we gonna take out. You cannot reason with a tyrant Nish. It simply can not be done. Study the two months prior to Germany invading Poland and see what appeasment gets you. Nishant S wrote: But for various reasons neither Bush nor his pet followers seem to be interested in these countries. See that "pet followers" crap is why I get mad. Whom then are you a "Pet Follower" of? Nishant S wrote: If US really wants to go for war, then it would be far more honest an approach to stop pushing and pulling with the UN ,and On this I agree but Mr. Bush is trying to save some credibility for the UN and trying to make life a little easier fot Mr. Blair Nishant S wrote: and to simply say that for personal reasons Bush wants to oust Saddam Not personal reasons. Give me a break - its oil today and personal reasons tomorrow. Ever think he might know more than you do. Its doubtful but possible. Nishant S wrote: This war would simply result in the formation of a few more terrorist organizations that would train suicide squads to kill more innocent americans! Not if we hit them hard enough and quit "reasoning" with them. They are about as brave as those "Human Shield" idiots. You have your opinion and I have mine. History - not debate - will tell who was right. Richard I know not with

Paul Watson

A bit OT but this is one of the problems the Rest Of Us are having with the US. If any other country decides to torture a suspect then the US comes down on them like a ton of bricks. They say it is barbaric, un-called for and against Charter XYZ paragraph 42. They rally the world against that country until the country stops or is sanctioned or some top dog is held up for war crimes etc. But as soon as the US suffered the terrible events of 9/11, the US felt it was justified to do whatever it could to bring the perps to justic. Wether that included torture or not, does not matter. And heaven forbid any of the Rest Of Us raise our voices against it. Then you get some patriotic American laying a guilt trip on you by saying "You have no fucking idea what we went through with 9/11 you backwards thirld world cretin!" I just think it is a bit FUBAR that the self-proclaimed Best Country On Earth is such a hypocrite, no matter what happened to them. As for torture... it is never right.

Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africa

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Brad Jennings

Jim A. Johnson wrote: No, most USian's. Including me. Count me in. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

Brad Jennings

Christian Graus wrote: I'm shocked to be standing alone in this. I'll stand with you. My moral standing on this lies in the Bible where it says that you should love your enemies. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

bryce

fantastically pious answer i just hope your wife doesnt read it. and for what its worth, if you wouldnt do what you could to save a plane load of people then you're less of a man than the terrorist and it translates directly to a state/national level if a govt take all steps it can to protect its people then the country is morally bankrupt. Bryce