Use of torture in interrogation

bryce

but you'd stop a baddy from hurting others wouldnt you? Bryce

Brad Jennings

Of course. I'd beat his ass down if I had to, but I wouldn't torture him. If the baddy was a serial killer, I might be less inclined to say that I could control myself but if the baddy was infantry in an opposing army, I'd never resort to torture. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

bryce

fair play to ya :) but if we're talking airplanes and kiddies etc...? Bryce

realJSOP

You want to know the best way to get info from someone? Put him in the middle of a line of about ten people, and parade them all into the interrogation room. Start with the first guy, and tell him in a loud, clear voice that if he doesn't answer your question the first time, you'll shoot him in the head. Tell each person that you're also going to hunt down everyone in his family and do the same to them. If he doesn't answer the question, shoot him in the head, dump his body out of the chair, and put the next guy in the chair. Do the same thing. By the time you get to your target, he'll either be willing to answer your questions, or he'll be willing to die for his cause. That's not torture, that's expediting the interrogation. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

Lost User

Soapbox I think :suss: The tigress is here :-D

Jack Puppy

No, I haven't seen Seven, but it doesn't matter seeing how I would never base my views on a Hollywood movie. If you want a video to watch, I suggest you go search the web for the Daniel Pearl video and see how Al Qaeda treats their prisoners.

Eddie Velasquez

Christian Graus wrote: Thanks for that, Torquemada Is this meant as a joke or an insult? Anyway, it doesn't matter. These people don't value our lifes. Why should we value theirs?

There are only 10 kind of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

Sean Winstead

No, I honestly don't think that there is any situation in which I would torture someone. I'm shocked to be standing alone in this. You're not standing alone. I don't condone torture either. What I don't like about your posts are that a) you condemn my country (and me indirectly) by painting a generalized, unrealistic picture and b) you are arrogant enough to think that you'd never do that which you abhor. Sean Winstead

tidge

Taka Muraoka wrote: Good point. Maybe hand-to-hand combat was a bad example. How about military leaders ordering missile attacks, even on military targets? If it is a functioning military target of an enemy that you are actively at war against, then it makes sense to me that it would be a viable target. Taka Muraoka wrote: But if they were to escape, then they would be combatants again! That's the way I see it. Here is where it gets hairy, and where it's easy to speculate if you aren't actively fighting in the theater. Some prisoner of war escapes. You shoot him. Now you have one group of people saying "Oh, you shot that guy in the back! All he was doing was running away, he wasn't attacking you, he wasn't even armed." Then you have the people who will think "Well if you don't shoot him, then what's to say he won't end up shooting you two days from now? Or maybe he found out some information about your military installation that you would rather the enemy not know"

tidge

I didn't say you had to invite him over for tea. You don't drop your guard. You just don't shoot a man that is standing there with his arms in the air surrenduring. You take them in as a prisoner of war.

tidge

See my other post above. You don't turn around and walk away, or decide to take a break. You take that person in as a prisoner of war.

David Wulff

From the frying pan and into the fire. :( If I was an Iraqi *cough* liberated *cough* by force I would offer my daughter to the first soldier through my door, along with the general household posessions they'd just take anyway. I'd make damned sure I cheered and thanked them - I don't want them to kill me too. Happens just like this all over the world every single day. People cheer when they are opressed and they cheer when they are freed - both for exactly the same reasons.

David Wulff

"David Wulff can't live without me, so you shouldn't either" - Paul Watson

Eddie Velasquez

tidge wrote: You just don't shoot a man that is standing there with his arms in the air surrenduring I know. I wasn't very clear. What I mean is that some kinds of prisoners are different from others. Specially those fanatic extremists that won't stop at nothing until they exterminate us all. I believe those don't deserve any special treatment.

There are only 10 kind of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

Brad Jennings

It's hard to say what I'd do, I just hope that I would do the right thing. After all, no man (or woman) can claim to be completely righteous. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

Christian Graus

Sean Winstead wrote: you condemn my country (and me indirectly) by painting a generalized, unrealistic picture The USA is the only country in the world where ANY criticism of the nation is taken personally by it's members. Do you think that I believe you're responsible for the policies of your country ? How dumb is that ? Sean Winstead wrote: you are arrogant enough to think that you'd never do that which you abhor. I am arrogant enough to presume that having principles means more to me than something nice to say when it suits, yes. You're basically saying that you don't condone torture until you feel like it. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

Eddie Velasquez wrote: Is this meant as a joke or an insult? It's meant to remind you of others who felt that their way was right and that the end justifies the means always. Eddie Velasquez wrote: These people don't value our lifes. Why should we value theirs? No reason at all, if you are no different to them. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

bryce wrote: fantastically pious answer i just hope your wife doesnt read it. She's welcome to. If I can act to save life I will, no matter whose it is. bryce wrote: and for what its worth, if you wouldnt do what you could to save a plane load of people then you're less of a man than the terrorist I think I stopped caring how you judge my manhood when you started to talk about pub brawls. The point that you fail to get is, although I made it, is that I would do what I could to save the plane, but even if this unrealistic situation occured, I don't think it would help to torture someone already intent on dying, not when they would know that they would get their wish simply by resisting the torture. The time frame is insufficient also for it to work. My time would be better spent trying to find the bomb, than reducing myself to their level, with no real hope of achieving anything. bryce wrote: and it translates directly to a state/national level if a govt take all steps it can to protect its people then the country is morally bankrupt. A country to refuses to try to extract information from people by torture is morally bankrupt ? I'm sorry, but it is you that is ammoral. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Eddie Velasquez

Christian Graus wrote: No reason at all, if you are no different to them I respect life, I respect everybody's freedom and right to believe in whatever they want. Certain individuals and terrorist organizations hate me, without knowning me, because I'm an american and christian and who knows what other reasons they have to decide that I should be disposed of. They do not care that I'm a father and husband, that I work hard and that I try my hardest to help and respect other people regardless of their conditions. If they want to get rid of my and my family with no hestitation and no remorse... why should I have any considerations with them? For me it's a simple matter of survival.

There are only 10 kind of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

Christian Graus

If you're a Christian, why do you want to do good only to those who do good to you ? Is that what Jesus said ? I'm not suggesting you need to give these people a hug, just that your morality is obviously your belly. Be nice to people who are nice to you, and make the lives of those who hate you as miserable as possible, by the extended application of pain. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Jorgen Sigvardsson

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