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    Marc Clifton
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    2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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      2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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      Jacquers
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      Although more related to psychiatry, there's an interesting video called 'Making A Killing: The Untold Story Of Psychotropic Drugging' that exposes a lot of the industry. Available on youtube if you search for it. In the end a lot of it goes about money.

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        2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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        Sander Rossel
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        And how do you feel about that? :)

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          2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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          Tim Carmichael
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          And the computer industry is different now? How much bashing is done of without a thorough examination? There are good and bad in all, but do we look or just jump on board with the bashing?

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            2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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            Amarnath S
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            Looks like they've put to full* use the contents of this book: How to ... with Statistics[^] * not full, but only 2/3 :-)

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            • M Marc Clifton

              2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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              GuyThiebaut
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              Richard Feynman, in Six Easy Pieces, has some rather interesting things to say about psychology. He asks the question of whether psychology can be called a science. I can't remember his whole argument as although the book is called 'Six Easy Pieces', I think a better title would have been 'I know how to make you feel really stupid'. The meta analysis of studies based on studies, can be abused in what is known as 'confirmation bias' - that is only using data that confirms your hypothesis and excluding data that contradicts your hypothesis. This can happen in any science and there are definitely cases of this in medicine. I remember a study I worked on where the dominant variable in a study was found to be whether or not the patient had been prescribed suppositories. As this was a study led by a US team(the UK part of the team was quite happy publishing this data), this was deemed to be too risqué and a mad dash was made to find a variable that was more palatable to the readership of the study.

              “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                And the computer industry is different now? How much bashing is done of without a thorough examination? There are good and bad in all, but do we look or just jump on board with the bashing?

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                Have you had a look to QA and the moderation queue? :sigh: Although there are a lot of people having a look and concerned about quality... there are (as well) a lot of trush getting through

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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                  Mladen Jankovic
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                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable

                  Psychology is not a science, so all this bullcr*p is hardly relevant.

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                    2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                    On the one hand, any psychologist will agree that extrapolating from one person to the entire population is ridiculous. On the other hand, neither the researchers nor the reviewers have a thorough grounding in statistics. This failing is true of all of the social "sciences", and is IMO why most published studies are not worth the bits required to transmit them.

                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                      2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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                      By the way, a study has shown that 63% of all studies have made up numbers :omg:

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                        2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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                        Eric Goedhart
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                        Dive into any field of knowledge and most people are fake. The Good thing is some people are real and knowledgeable :)

                        With friendly greetings,:) Eric Goedhart

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                          By the way, a study has shown that 63% of all studies have made up numbers :omg:

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                          And the other half are just wrong!

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                            And the other half are just wrong!

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            Speaking of numbers... What about 9082365?

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                              2/3 of psychology studies are not repeatable[^] My gf is getting her MA in psychology, and I've been looking at some of the studies that other people have written. Simply looking at the statistics, it became clear to me that a lot of studies are based on bad math and statistically insignificant fluctuations in correlations. And then of course, those studies get cited when creating new studies, and so forth. The whole field is a ridiculous house of cards. Marc

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                              Marc Clifton wrote:

                              The whole field is a ridiculous

                              (personal opinion alert) : I wouldn't say the "whole" field, but I think most of it is crap...utterly; especially with psychiatrists.

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