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  • P Pete OHanlon

    Opinionated fellow isn't he?

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    Johnny J
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    Indeed :thumbsup: But he did make one interesting point, and it's good to know that you do Krav Maga. So now I know whom to contact if I should be in need of girl scout cookies... :laugh: Just joking of course!

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    • S Sinisa Hajnal

      I think most martial arts would classify themselves as defensive. With few aggressive exceptions.

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      Having done more than a few martial arts in my time, Krav is the only one that I found that actually does let you defend yourself. In my first lesson, the instructor found out I used to do Muay Thai - he had done that as well, so as a demonstration he asked me to fight with him Muay style. I was pleased to see that I held my own against him trading blows. After a couple of minutes, he asked me to do it again but this time he would defend himself using Krav Maga. I remember moving in and I remember hitting the floor hard - the bit in the middle was a blur. A very painful blur. When you consider that this is what the likes of Mossad and the Israeli army learn, you can see that it's designed to be practical rather than art.

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        Having done more than a few martial arts in my time, Krav is the only one that I found that actually does let you defend yourself. In my first lesson, the instructor found out I used to do Muay Thai - he had done that as well, so as a demonstration he asked me to fight with him Muay style. I was pleased to see that I held my own against him trading blows. After a couple of minutes, he asked me to do it again but this time he would defend himself using Krav Maga. I remember moving in and I remember hitting the floor hard - the bit in the middle was a blur. A very painful blur. When you consider that this is what the likes of Mossad and the Israeli army learn, you can see that it's designed to be practical rather than art.

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        Every martial art was at some point used in "real world" - jujutsu was samurai unarmed (and otherwise) combat skill - it is only today that it is unarmed and limited with rules and codified. Ninjutsu is still very martial, but less practical today simply because...well..age. What is now wrestling was roman pancratium, unarmed (and otherwise) combat skill of gladiators and roman legionnaires. Krav Maga is the only one used in modern days with modern weapons due to the fact it was used recently in real conflicts. I would expect it to be real and dangerous. Look at Fight Quest series if you can find it, there is one on Krav Maga in which guy admits he was scared of dying fighting a girl half his size. :) I would also expect that US marines or UK SAS members could do the same to you simply due the training they receive.

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          Every martial art was at some point used in "real world" - jujutsu was samurai unarmed (and otherwise) combat skill - it is only today that it is unarmed and limited with rules and codified. Ninjutsu is still very martial, but less practical today simply because...well..age. What is now wrestling was roman pancratium, unarmed (and otherwise) combat skill of gladiators and roman legionnaires. Krav Maga is the only one used in modern days with modern weapons due to the fact it was used recently in real conflicts. I would expect it to be real and dangerous. Look at Fight Quest series if you can find it, there is one on Krav Maga in which guy admits he was scared of dying fighting a girl half his size. :) I would also expect that US marines or UK SAS members could do the same to you simply due the training they receive.

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          Sinisa Hajnal wrote:

          ook at Fight Quest series if you can find it, there is one on Krav Maga in which guy admits he was scared of dying fighting a girl half his size.

          I have seen it. Actually, there are a few great series on YouTube that show various martial arts - Krav generally comes across well. The core tenet of Krav, and why it is successful, is that it emphasises that moves should not require fine motor skills which disappear when the adrenaline is pumping. More importantly, you always train to complete the moves so that they become instinctive. There's no disarming an opponent and then handing the weapon back - you disarm them and you take them down.

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            Sinisa Hajnal wrote:

            ook at Fight Quest series if you can find it, there is one on Krav Maga in which guy admits he was scared of dying fighting a girl half his size.

            I have seen it. Actually, there are a few great series on YouTube that show various martial arts - Krav generally comes across well. The core tenet of Krav, and why it is successful, is that it emphasises that moves should not require fine motor skills which disappear when the adrenaline is pumping. More importantly, you always train to complete the moves so that they become instinctive. There's no disarming an opponent and then handing the weapon back - you disarm them and you take them down.

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            How do you pronounce Krav Maga?...I've heard short Krav and then accent on GA with long a at the end: Krav Ma-GHAa...I've heard simple (short) Krav MA-gha (with accent on Ma). What would be correct?

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              How do you pronounce Krav Maga?...I've heard short Krav and then accent on GA with long a at the end: Krav Ma-GHAa...I've heard simple (short) Krav MA-gha (with accent on Ma). What would be correct?

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              You know, I've never really given this much attention. In the club, I guess we all use the first version - but now I'm going to have to listen hard to see if I'm mistaken. Thanks for messing with my mind.

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              • S Sinisa Hajnal

                How do you pronounce Krav Maga?...I've heard short Krav and then accent on GA with long a at the end: Krav Ma-GHAa...I've heard simple (short) Krav MA-gha (with accent on Ma). What would be correct?

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                In Hebrew, it's pronounced Krav Ma-GHA (accent on the second syllable).

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                • S Sinisa Hajnal

                  I think most martial arts would classify themselves as defensive. With few aggressive exceptions.

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                  Daniel Pfeffer
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                  Only in civilian life. Using martial arts in an unprovoked attack (or using what the law calls "excessive force" to defend yourself) will get you in trouble in most jurisdictions. However, a warrior might find offensive techniques to be very useful.

                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                  • D Daniel Pfeffer

                    In Hebrew, it's pronounced Krav Ma-GHA (accent on the second syllable).

                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                    Sinisa Hajnal
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                    Thank you. That was my understanding too, but I didn't want to prejudice the answer. In my country, the words are (very big majority) commonly accented on the first syllable and that is how I hear it now and then in martial arts discussions. But one guy I actually know practices Krav Maga gives it accent on the last :)

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                    • D Daniel Pfeffer

                      Only in civilian life. Using martial arts in an unprovoked attack (or using what the law calls "excessive force" to defend yourself) will get you in trouble in most jurisdictions. However, a warrior might find offensive techniques to be very useful.

                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                      Sinisa Hajnal
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                      I didn't say there aren't offensive moves, just that most unarmed arts today are defensive with offense being pepper sprays, tazers and guns. If you practice Muay Thai for example, even in self defense you will probably hurt the assailant if you're not careful. On the other hand, average Aikido practitioner would probably get beaten up due to less applicative skill in combat (no disparagment meant, it is great art and I practiced it some years ago - it is just not combat effective unless you are a master).

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