International Women's Day
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Men ... get paid more for the same jobs
That one always confuses me. It implies that businesses are run by morons, because if women can do the same jobs for less money then surely employing only women would make profits soar. So I guess most business owners are morons.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
GuyThiebaut wrote:
businesses are run by morons
What word confuses you? :confused: To put that in perspective, entire countries are run by morons!
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Regards, Sander
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Really? Isn't it the first woman who was created from the rib of a man therefore in debt to us? Or a woman who cast the first sin and expelled us from paradise? Fast forward to now, we had one political party who had a view that woman should not be able to have publicly leading roles (funny as it's the biggest party in my municipality and we have a woman for mayor, also funny as they also operate nationwide and we had a queen at the time :D). Anyway, it was a Christian party who followed their bible. They had to drop that view though as they were about to lose their government funding as our constitution forbids racism. Luckily our constitution weighs heavier than religion :D Wasn't it the church who forbade women from working as they should be at home raising kids? I won't even start about the rights of women in many Islamic countries. Mind you that this is all under the banner of religion (whether you think it's the true spirit of that religion is irrelevant). The opposite might be true, Christians for equal rights etc., but there is no denying that religion has been a source of hate throughout history and continues to be.
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Regards, Sander
Yes, really. Religion did not create these inequalities. They were already present in the simple reality of life before technology and birth control and all the myriad other changes that make equality a possibility today. The Genesis account is entirely aetiological, seeking to explain what is not to create some new order with the authority of God. Arab strictures about women certainly predate Islam by centuries (after all Islam dates from nearly 600 years after the foundations of Christianity and thousands of years after the origins of Judaism). And, of course, let us remember that the inequalities have been fully maintained for decades in predominantly atheistic cultures around the world. Unquestionably the, usually spurious, interpretation of religious texts have been used as a weapon in maintaining the status quo but it's by no means the case that religion can be blamed for that status quo arising in the first place or should take the entire blame for any delay in the speed of reform. Anyone familiar with the history of the Middle East, for example, will be aware that the 'rights' of women in the Deuteronomic law far exceeded those of their contemporaries outside Israel and, of course, one is only a Jew at all by virtue of one's mother. Similarly, many of the Pauline strictures that come in for such feminist ire were actually designed to protect women from the shaming and potential arrest which might follow from public display of the new freedoms they enjoyed as Christians. We simply cannot imagine now how utterly scandalous a statement at the time was ...
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There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And what hasn't been used at some time as such a weapon? Biology, evolutionary theory, politics, history; all have been turned to the keeping of women in their place at some time, without the aid of religion in any form. Your implied thesis that it's all religion's fault just won't wash. Hatred may find religion a convenient companion and justifier but it does not depend on religion for its existence. Just ask anyone who's ever been in the middle of a dispute over a parking space!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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In this morning's email, I received a missive[^] from Microsoft lauding the accomplishments of female inventors. To say the least, they missed a few. They mentioned :rose:Ada Lovelace[^]:rose: :) , but missed others who are key to our industry :( :
- :rose:Rear Admiral Grace Hopper, Ph.D[^]:rose:
- :rose:Hedy Lamarr[^]:rose:
__________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Men ... get paid more for the same jobs
That one always confuses me. It implies that businesses are run by morons, because if women can do the same jobs for less money then surely employing only women would make profits soar. So I guess most business owners are morons.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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From the limited comments I can read here, I now understand why there are not many woman in our field of work. :|
I'd rather be phishing!
Yes misogyny is alive and well in our industry.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Yes, really. Religion did not create these inequalities. They were already present in the simple reality of life before technology and birth control and all the myriad other changes that make equality a possibility today. The Genesis account is entirely aetiological, seeking to explain what is not to create some new order with the authority of God. Arab strictures about women certainly predate Islam by centuries (after all Islam dates from nearly 600 years after the foundations of Christianity and thousands of years after the origins of Judaism). And, of course, let us remember that the inequalities have been fully maintained for decades in predominantly atheistic cultures around the world. Unquestionably the, usually spurious, interpretation of religious texts have been used as a weapon in maintaining the status quo but it's by no means the case that religion can be blamed for that status quo arising in the first place or should take the entire blame for any delay in the speed of reform. Anyone familiar with the history of the Middle East, for example, will be aware that the 'rights' of women in the Deuteronomic law far exceeded those of their contemporaries outside Israel and, of course, one is only a Jew at all by virtue of one's mother. Similarly, many of the Pauline strictures that come in for such feminist ire were actually designed to protect women from the shaming and potential arrest which might follow from public display of the new freedoms they enjoyed as Christians. We simply cannot imagine now how utterly scandalous a statement at the time was ...
Quote:
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And what hasn't been used at some time as such a weapon? Biology, evolutionary theory, politics, history; all have been turned to the keeping of women in their place at some time, without the aid of religion in any form. Your implied thesis that it's all religion's fault just won't wash. Hatred may find religion a convenient companion and justifier but it does not depend on religion for its existence. Just ask anyone who's ever been in the middle of a dispute over a parking space!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
9082365 wrote:
Your implied thesis that it's all religion's fault just won't wash
It's not all religion's fault, it's just the biggest and most widespread (well, I'd say bigotry, but somehow that often manifests itself in the form of religion and there we go again) :D Nevermind me, some "sweet" old lady already told me I'd burn an eternity in hell simply for disbelieving. Nothing I do in life, other than believing in Jesus, matters :D
9082365 wrote:
predominantly atheistic cultures
Do those exist? :omg:
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Regards, Sander
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When is International Man's day? If it does not exist: Why not? Are women more special than men?
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When is International Man's day? If it does not exist: Why not? Are women more special than men?
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
It's like White History Month... Doesn't exist...
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