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    Marc Clifton
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    The Data Packaging Tool main window contains three tabs: Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages. (from the Ingenico documentation) Even the screenshot shows 4 tabs. :rolleyes: Marc

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      The Data Packaging Tool main window contains three tabs: Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages. (from the Ingenico documentation) Even the screenshot shows 4 tabs. :rolleyes: Marc

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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages

      Let us count them using the html-"ol" tag.

      1. Unsigned Data Files,
      2. Signed Data Files,
      3. EFT Generator and
      4. TMS Packages

      Looks correct to me :rolleyes:

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        The Data Packaging Tool main window contains three tabs: Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages. (from the Ingenico documentation) Even the screenshot shows 4 tabs. :rolleyes: Marc

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        Jeeze, I thought you were an experienced programmer. Even novices know about zero-base!

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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages

          Let us count them using the html-"ol" tag.

          1. Unsigned Data Files,
          2. Signed Data Files,
          3. EFT Generator and
          4. TMS Packages

          Looks correct to me :rolleyes:

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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          Great minds... Um, what is it they do, again?

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            The Data Packaging Tool main window contains three tabs: Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages. (from the Ingenico documentation) Even the screenshot shows 4 tabs. :rolleyes: Marc

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            Kyle Moyer
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            1. Unsigned Data Files 2. Signed Data Files 3. EFT Generator and TMS Packages The English language is an ambiguous beast.

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              Great minds... Um, what is it they do, again?

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              enhzflep
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              Sink alike.

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                1. Unsigned Data Files 2. Signed Data Files 3. EFT Generator and TMS Packages The English language is an ambiguous beast.

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                Not when you use the Oxford comma!

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                  Not when you use the Oxford comma!

                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                  I know, right!? This was one of the things that annoyed me to no end in college... The MLA updated their rules for comma-delimited lists such as this, so that the last and second to last item no longer had a comma preceding the conjunction. Which leads to really confusing situations when your last item has a conjunction in it! It gets even worse in situations like this where re-ordering the list isn't possible because you're literally listing them in the order they occur; re-ordering would then just be confusing. I sometimes wonder if the people in the MLA have English as a first or second (or third!) language...

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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    Unsigned Data Files, Signed Data Files, EFT Generator and TMS Packages

                    Let us count them using the html-"ol" tag.

                    1. Unsigned Data Files,
                    2. Signed Data Files,
                    3. EFT Generator and
                    4. TMS Packages

                    Looks correct to me :rolleyes:

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    Looks correct to me

                    Hah! And right you are! :laugh: Marc

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                      Jeeze, I thought you were an experienced programmer. Even novices know about zero-base!

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Mark_Wallace wrote:

                      Even novices know about zero-base!

                      I've been in the Javascript world lately, where some things are 0, some things are 1, some things are defined, some things are undefined, some things are true, some things are false, and you never really know which. Javascript - the world's first quantum computing language. Marc

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                        1. Unsigned Data Files 2. Signed Data Files 3. EFT Generator and TMS Packages The English language is an ambiguous beast.

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                        Kyle Moyer wrote:

                        The English language is an ambiguous beast.

                        Yes, the text description doesn't do it justice. Maybe that's what happened. :) Marc

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                          Mark_Wallace wrote:

                          Even novices know about zero-base!

                          I've been in the Javascript world lately, where some things are 0, some things are 1, some things are defined, some things are undefined, some things are true, some things are false, and you never really know which. Javascript - the world's first quantum computing language. Marc

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                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                          I've been in the Javascript world lately

                          You have my sincere condolences.

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                            I know, right!? This was one of the things that annoyed me to no end in college... The MLA updated their rules for comma-delimited lists such as this, so that the last and second to last item no longer had a comma preceding the conjunction. Which leads to really confusing situations when your last item has a conjunction in it! It gets even worse in situations like this where re-ordering the list isn't possible because you're literally listing them in the order they occur; re-ordering would then just be confusing. I sometimes wonder if the people in the MLA have English as a first or second (or third!) language...

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                            You do know that you're allowed to ignore idiots who don't know anything about the language, don't you? Every rule that's even remotely associated with "in-line lists" and "parallelism" dictates the use of a terminal comma (before the "and"), so anyone who declares differently is an idiot. Just because an idiot has his idiocy published in a book doesn't make it less idiotic. I mean, if we ignore the travesty that is "Charlotte's Web of English Usage" (Strunk & White), the worst writer in the world on the subject was Fowler, so ignoring his bollocks is not only possible, but recommended! If anyone gives you any hassle about your choices, give me a shout, and I'll provide more than enough chapter and verse to make them STFU.

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                              You do know that you're allowed to ignore idiots who don't know anything about the language, don't you? Every rule that's even remotely associated with "in-line lists" and "parallelism" dictates the use of a terminal comma (before the "and"), so anyone who declares differently is an idiot. Just because an idiot has his idiocy published in a book doesn't make it less idiotic. I mean, if we ignore the travesty that is "Charlotte's Web of English Usage" (Strunk & White), the worst writer in the world on the subject was Fowler, so ignoring his bollocks is not only possible, but recommended! If anyone gives you any hassle about your choices, give me a shout, and I'll provide more than enough chapter and verse to make them STFU.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              In everyday life, that's certainly true (and to this day I precede my conjunction with a comma!) However in a college English class, if you don't follow the rules to the letter (no matter how retarded) then you get docked points... To further cement the stupidity of this mindset, I wrote a paper in said class about DRM schemes. I got docked points because I was using 'defamatory/inflamatory language'. Stupid woman didn't know that scheme was literally what they were called, and wouldn't listen to any argument against what she felt was true. Hated her, hated the class, and hate English (the language!) in general... So glad that my degree only required one semester of English...

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                                Sink alike.

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                                Oh. What are you sinking?

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  In everyday life, that's certainly true (and to this day I precede my conjunction with a comma!) However in a college English class, if you don't follow the rules to the letter (no matter how retarded) then you get docked points... To further cement the stupidity of this mindset, I wrote a paper in said class about DRM schemes. I got docked points because I was using 'defamatory/inflamatory language'. Stupid woman didn't know that scheme was literally what they were called, and wouldn't listen to any argument against what she felt was true. Hated her, hated the class, and hate English (the language!) in general... So glad that my degree only required one semester of English...

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                                  Ah, Glasshopper, but English is a language that is far more fascinating than any programming language could ever be. This is because computers are idiots, so computer languages only have to communicate thoughts and ideas to idiots. But English is far more sophisticated, because you have to use it to communicate thoughts and ideas to things that are far worse than idiots.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                    Oh. What are you sinking?

                                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                    Beer this week. Then I'm onto the 10% apple cider that's nearly finished. The champagne yeast I have could take it to 18% but if heightens the chance of it tasting nasty. If I've gone too far, we'll just distil it. Though (perhaps very boringly) I'll admit that your 'forgetfulness' when it came to using the word "think" made sink seem like the natural option. When we can't think so well, we er, sink, after all.

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                                      Beer this week. Then I'm onto the 10% apple cider that's nearly finished. The champagne yeast I have could take it to 18% but if heightens the chance of it tasting nasty. If I've gone too far, we'll just distil it. Though (perhaps very boringly) I'll admit that your 'forgetfulness' when it came to using the word "think" made sink seem like the natural option. When we can't think so well, we er, sink, after all.

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                                      The last time I bought high-octane cider, I stuck it in the freezer for too long, and ended up with a lump of ice and some *really* good burn-your-tubes-on-the-way-down alcohol. But I was referring to this[^]

                                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                        Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                        Even novices know about zero-base!

                                        I've been in the Javascript world lately, where some things are 0, some things are 1, some things are defined, some things are undefined, some things are true, some things are false, and you never really know which. Javascript - the world's first quantum computing language. Marc

                                        Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                        In recent years, I've come to find discussions of one language being strongly typed vs another which isn't more and more curious and fun. Starting out, it was Turbo Pascal, followed by inline asm, shortly after by Turbo Assembler and Macro Assembler, before picking up C and C++. At that point, I'd leer down my nose at anyone seriously considering using a script-like, interpreted language - partially, because everyone *knew* that strongly typed languages were 'better' and were also 'harder', generally a result of their less comprehensive standard libs. That was over 20 years ago now and I laugh as I look on my other monitor to see an Access DB being converted to SQL Server, PHP and Javascript. (I don't .NET and the client doesn't care if I build it out of mudbricks & straw, so long as they can reliably pump all the receipts through it) I also think about how much I code in different languages and find that shockingly, much of what I do these days is in fact in script-like langs. It's always an interesting challenge - coding something in C/C++, JS/PHP and in ASM - they're just so very different, yet in the important places, very much alike. Keeps me on my toes at least. Graphics and Sound have always been interests, so for those at least, C/JS/ASM are all perfectly alike enough. And in fact, writing a pdf-producing class was far easier in PHP than in C++. I reckon JS would make the C++ version look long-winded, verbose and full of gotchas. Just dont tell my 20 year old self I said this!

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                                          The last time I bought high-octane cider, I stuck it in the freezer for too long, and ended up with a lump of ice and some *really* good burn-your-tubes-on-the-way-down alcohol. But I was referring to this[^]

                                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                          :-D That's hillarious, I've the vaguest memory of having seen it somewhere before. Anyhoo, bravo old chap - that laugh was most enjoyable. :thumbsup:

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