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Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: There are movements to arrest anyone who physically disciplines their child here, is that the case in the US ? Yes. There have been cases where a parent swats a child's butt in public and have lost temporary custody. :wtf: They've had to go to court and attend parenting classes and such to get the kid back. It's getting out of hand. If someone truly abuses a child I'll be the first one to scream for justice but a firm swat to the backside can be a crucial disciplinary tool. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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Christian Graus

Wow - this is BAD news for the USA. A generation of parents who is taught not to discipline their children. What sort of society will those children create ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

David Wulff

Christian Graus wrote: Wow - this is BAD news for the USA. A generation of parents who is taught not to discipline their children. What sort of society will those children create ? I would so like to make the obvious comment here by just rearanging your own words, but it is late and I'm recovering from that damned nosebleed you gave me, so I'll pass this time. :rolleyes:

David Wulff

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Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: What sort of society will those children create ? It truly worries me. So many of these folks ignore their kids as well. They have kids by accident or because they think they're supposed to and the kids become a nuisance to them. X| IMHO another big issue is both parents working. Especially during early childhood. So many American families send kids off to daycare from the time the kid is only a couple months old. The kids can get mixed signals about what is right and wrong when two distinct sets of people are raising them. I don't think this is purely an American phenomenon, I wonder if others see it in their corner of the world? Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Nitron

Christian Graus wrote: they were a good argument for people being neutered at birth, in a process that is reversible, and will be reversed after certain criteria are met. I'm pushing for the same sort of thing for people to be allowed to use ATM or credit cards at the grocery store. :rolleyes: - Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

brianwelsch

This makes me think of a friend mine's theory of what's wrong in the world. "There are too few ass kickings today" The idea being that misbehaviour of any fashion in adults and children is all too often overlooked. Good parents disclipine their children to behaviour properly. Likewise, a swift beating to set these unfortunate jack-asses back to acceptable behaviour would do wonders for their attitude. Stories like this make me think he might be on to something. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

JoeSox

Christian Graus wrote: Bollocks. so it teaches them it is not ok to smack? Do as I say and not as I do:rolleyes: Christian Graus wrote: And this teaches them.... ??? Consequences for their behavior. I don't mean yelling in there face or anything like that, more like "since you don't seem to understand why hitting your sister is bad I will take your XBox away for a week" (or grounding them inside the house etc. etc.) This is of course after when explaining things to them isn't working. Please keep in mind, and what I think David is forgetting too, but maybe I am wrong, this thread started out speaking about older kids not young ones,so that is my approach in the conversation.:-D:-D Later,
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Roger Wright

Christian Graus wrote: Wow - the US is screwed, isn't it ? It has been for a long time, ever since the liberals started running things their way... Can't interfere with the inept, now can we, nor risk damaging the little hellions' psyches with a little discipline. When I was a kid and doing my best to be a typical unruly little boy, I got smacked when I deserved it, if not by my parents then by the neighbors or a teacher. It didn't teach me that smacking people is okay - I've never struck another person in my life - nor did it damage me in any way. It taught me that there are limits on acceptable behavior, and that my actions all have consequences. In the US, consequences are things other people are expected to bear, as I can't be held accountable for the things I do or which happen to me. There are laws, after all, that guarantee me my right to a risk-free existence... Yeah, right... Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

Christian Graus

JoeSox wrote: so it teaches them it is not ok to smack? Do as I say and not as I do No, not at all. They understand quite well that it's a parents job to teach them what is right, and a smack is the consequence of knowing right and doing wrong. I'd never smack my kids for something they did not know what to do, unless I needed to in order to control them. JoeSox wrote: more like "since you don't seem to understand why hitting your sister is bad I will take your XBox away for a week" (or grounding them inside the house etc. etc.) So how is this any different to a smack ? You're excercising power over them, the only difference is that you're teaching them to hold a grudge and I am not. JoeSox wrote: This is of course after when explaining things to them isn't working. How do you go explaining stuff to a 2 or 3 year old ? Seriously, I'd like to know. JoeSox wrote: this thread started out speaking about older kids not young ones,so that is my approach in the conversation. How old ? If you're still smacking your 10 year old, you've lost the war. The real point is that phyiscal discipline actually *works* and so it's really not that long before the behaviour is controlled, and so you can just be a happy family where the kids ( mostly ) do what you'd like them to. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

It's getting the same way here, we have a culture of no blame./ Nothing is anyone's fault anymore. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

JoeSox

Christian Graus wrote: So how is this any different to a smack ? One is violent, the other is not. Both are manipulative. I rather would take the no violent route. Christian Graus wrote: You're exercising power over them, the only difference is that you're teaching them to hold a grudge and I am not. I remember being smacked by my grandfather, and I held a grudge against him for a couple of days, I kind of still do even today, kind of, I didn't like what he did. So I don't think your argument is a good one.:-O:-D Later,
JoeSox
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Christian Graus

The real problem is that the anti smack brigade is a. led by people who do not have kids, and b. fails to differentiate between a controlled smack done with explanation of the reason why, in a consistent manner, and an adult lashing out at a kid because they are bigger than them. Some kids respond well enough to other forms of discipline. I know I got both, and I resented the no *item* for a week more, excepting of course that I always got around it. That's how I learned I could beat my parents, actually. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

What your friend says is right. Why do so many people take to doing unacceptable things? I think it is because they have no notion of responsibility; and a feeling that they can get away with anything - something that probably becomes a second nature because of bad parenting. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers