The absurdity of language
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You should see the Portuguese language... :)
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
Please, show some examples :) Here we have a language very similar to portuguese, Galician language. In fact, there are a lot of people around here that pretend to make our language the same as portuguese, which I totally disagree because I believe they are just different languages.
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Are you OK ?
Come on Paul... we know she's not :rolleyes: ;-P Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Who else wonders about how we manage to communicate at all ? Spoken languages are so convoluted and contradictoy its surprising they work ! Examples: Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana People asking "Are you OK ?" because they know you aren't.... Feel free to supply your own examples Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Here in Waterford we say "Well" to people when we walk past them in the street... it's a cool little word because it basically means the following: "Hey, How are you? The weather is . Nice to see you. Talk to you again soon." all rolled into one word... it does comepletely confuse outsiders though when you walk by and say well... they thing it's a question that needs answering or that your angry... :rolleyes: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Next week I am taking a class at the local Comunity Collage. Hopefully I can pick it up. Is it much like Spanish or French? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Thanks Rohit, this was a fun read. Reminds me of all the absurdities I found when learning French, and Spanish. It is soo hard to be ironical when speaking in something outside your mother tongue. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote: Reminds me of all the absurdities I found when learning French, and Spanish. Yeah, too bad there aren't many people on CP who would understand what I'm talking about if I pointed out the absurdities in Hindi, my mother tongue. :) English is the common language we all know.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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Who else wonders about how we manage to communicate at all ? Spoken languages are so convoluted and contradictoy its surprising they work ! Examples: Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana People asking "Are you OK ?" because they know you aren't.... Feel free to supply your own examples Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
There is a funny story (by Mark Twain, I think) how to write the word 'Fish': Take the 'f'-sound from the word 'tough', take the 'i'-sound from the word 'women', take the 'sh'-sound from the word 'nation'. You will get - 'ghoti'.
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
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:laugh: That was a good one.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
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Next week I am taking a class at the local Comunity Collage. Hopefully I can pick it up. Is it much like Spanish or French? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote: Is it much like Spanish The sound of most words is very similar, but the syntax rules are completely different. And that's the insane part about learning Portuguese. German is in some way similar in that part. As a native English speaker, you'll learn that: 1. No upper case in the middle of the phrases. Like "I", or "English" or "Tuesday". 2. Things have sex. Isn't obvious that glasses are male and tables are female? Isn't obvious that a monitor is male but the screen is female? 3. The "nh" phonem. It's the same of the Spanish "ñ", like in "El Niño" but some native English speakers pronounce it in a way that some Portuguese speakers ROTFL. 4. You'll learn that when you see a sign "puxe" (pronounced push), you need to pull something. 5. You'll learn that if I say "eu pretendo", I intend to do something, not pretend. 6. ALL verbs have variations (up to 50 subtle variations, depending on the verb). The variations depend on the time and the person you are referring to. The most similar thing in the English language is the "to be" verb, with: I am You/We are He/She/it is I/He/She Was You/We were There you have 5 variations of the "to be" verb. But in Portuguese, the same verb has about 50 variations ("conjugações"), with no obvious logic. You have accented chars, like "lâmpada" (lamp), with rules to specify how to use them. For every rule, hundreds of exceptions. Some words have exactly the same sound, like "concerto" (concert) and "conserto" (fix), but are obviously different. The rules are so insane and there are so many exceptions that the Portuguese teachers spend hours arguing with each other which way is the right way. All of this have an advantage: for art, like music and poetry, this makes the Portuguese language something very beautyful and pleasant to be heard.
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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Please, show some examples :) Here we have a language very similar to portuguese, Galician language. In fact, there are a lot of people around here that pretend to make our language the same as portuguese, which I totally disagree because I believe they are just different languages.
OCid wrote: Please, show some examples See my answer just above :) OCid wrote: In fact, there are a lot of people around here that pretend to make our language the same as portuguese, which I totally disagree because I believe they are just different languages. We do the same here with Spanish, as a joke, we call it "Portunhol" (Português + Espanhol) (Portugues + Spanish)
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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OCid wrote: Please, show some examples See my answer just above :) OCid wrote: In fact, there are a lot of people around here that pretend to make our language the same as portuguese, which I totally disagree because I believe they are just different languages. We do the same here with Spanish, as a joke, we call it "Portunhol" (Português + Espanhol) (Portugues + Spanish)
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
Daniel Turini wrote: We do the same here with Spanish, as a joke, we call it "Portunhol" (Português + Espanhol) (Portugues + Spanish) Yep, here we also say "Portunhol" or "Portuñol". However, most of the spanish people can't understand portuguese at all whilst Galician people can. The main difference between Portuguese and Gallego is not the grammar (they are essentially the same) but the accent. I have a lot of family in Rio de Janeiro, and we don't have trouble understanding one each other.
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Daniel Turini wrote: We do the same here with Spanish, as a joke, we call it "Portunhol" (Português + Espanhol) (Portugues + Spanish) Yep, here we also say "Portunhol" or "Portuñol". However, most of the spanish people can't understand portuguese at all whilst Galician people can. The main difference between Portuguese and Gallego is not the grammar (they are essentially the same) but the accent. I have a lot of family in Rio de Janeiro, and we don't have trouble understanding one each other.
OCid wrote: The main difference between Portuguese and Gallego is not the grammar (they are essentially the same) but the accent. Hmmm... I see, just like Java and C# :)
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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There is a funny story (by Mark Twain, I think) how to write the word 'Fish': Take the 'f'-sound from the word 'tough', take the 'i'-sound from the word 'women', take the 'sh'-sound from the word 'nation'. You will get - 'ghoti'.
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
here's another Twain, along the same lines: "A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling: For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld." -c
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Who else wonders about how we manage to communicate at all ? Spoken languages are so convoluted and contradictoy its surprising they work ! Examples: Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana People asking "Are you OK ?" because they know you aren't.... Feel free to supply your own examples Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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here's another Twain, along the same lines: "A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling: For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld." -c
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Something like this have been tried with the German spelling in the last years. After many comitee-meetings and sub-workgroups and ad-hoc task-forces and so on, a diluted standard came out. It is sufficiently different to constantly trigger the subconsious spelling-error warning bell while reading, yet does not go far enough to achieve a consistent spelling with a complete and minimal set of rules. In one word - a disaster. But I like the idea of a spelling that reflects the current use of a language. Thats why I hate french;)
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
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OCid wrote: The main difference between Portuguese and Gallego is not the grammar (they are essentially the same) but the accent. Hmmm... I see, just like Java and C# :)
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
Daniel Turini wrote: I see, just like Java and C# Exactly:) In the beginning we had C (forgetting other languages such as ADA, FORTRAN, Pascal, ...) and then C++ -> Java -> C# Analogously, we had Latin -> Galego-Portuguese (or Portuguese-Galego, the order doesn't count) then they followed different but parallel routes and we got Portuguese and Galego.
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Here in Waterford we say "Well" to people when we walk past them in the street... it's a cool little word because it basically means the following: "Hey, How are you? The weather is . Nice to see you. Talk to you again soon." all rolled into one word... it does comepletely confuse outsiders though when you walk by and say well... they thing it's a question that needs answering or that your angry... :rolleyes: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Run naked in the snow until you're sweating like a stuck pig and can't seem to catch your breath. When the flu becomes pneumonia, they can cure that with a shot. - Roger WrightBrian Delahunty wrote: Waterford Southern Ireland? That would explain much:-D
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
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Chris Austin wrote: Is it much like Spanish The sound of most words is very similar, but the syntax rules are completely different. And that's the insane part about learning Portuguese. German is in some way similar in that part. As a native English speaker, you'll learn that: 1. No upper case in the middle of the phrases. Like "I", or "English" or "Tuesday". 2. Things have sex. Isn't obvious that glasses are male and tables are female? Isn't obvious that a monitor is male but the screen is female? 3. The "nh" phonem. It's the same of the Spanish "ñ", like in "El Niño" but some native English speakers pronounce it in a way that some Portuguese speakers ROTFL. 4. You'll learn that when you see a sign "puxe" (pronounced push), you need to pull something. 5. You'll learn that if I say "eu pretendo", I intend to do something, not pretend. 6. ALL verbs have variations (up to 50 subtle variations, depending on the verb). The variations depend on the time and the person you are referring to. The most similar thing in the English language is the "to be" verb, with: I am You/We are He/She/it is I/He/She Was You/We were There you have 5 variations of the "to be" verb. But in Portuguese, the same verb has about 50 variations ("conjugações"), with no obvious logic. You have accented chars, like "lâmpada" (lamp), with rules to specify how to use them. For every rule, hundreds of exceptions. Some words have exactly the same sound, like "concerto" (concert) and "conserto" (fix), but are obviously different. The rules are so insane and there are so many exceptions that the Portuguese teachers spend hours arguing with each other which way is the right way. All of this have an advantage: for art, like music and poetry, this makes the Portuguese language something very beautyful and pleasant to be heard.
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
You summed up quite well the portuguese language ,too damn rules, exceptions and variations ... :suss: Daniel Turini wrote: All of this have an advantage: for art, like music and poetry, this makes the Portuguese language something very beautyful and pleasant to be heard. Couldn't agree more :cool: Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9 Remember just because a good thing comes to an end, doesn't mean that the next one can't be better.-Chris Meech
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Daniel Turini wrote: We do the same here with Spanish, as a joke, we call it "Portunhol" (Português + Espanhol) (Portugues + Spanish) Yep, here we also say "Portunhol" or "Portuñol". However, most of the spanish people can't understand portuguese at all whilst Galician people can. The main difference between Portuguese and Gallego is not the grammar (they are essentially the same) but the accent. I have a lot of family in Rio de Janeiro, and we don't have trouble understanding one each other.
OCid wrote: However, most of the spanish people can't understand portuguese at all whilst Galician people can. The main difference between Portuguese and Gallego is not the grammar (they are essentially the same) but the accent. Yeah! Galego is so incredibily similar to portuguese that I understand 99.99 % of it and the rest I deduct from the context :cool: Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9 Remember just because a good thing comes to an end, doesn't mean that the next one can't be better.-Chris Meech
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Please, show some examples :) Here we have a language very similar to portuguese, Galician language. In fact, there are a lot of people around here that pretend to make our language the same as portuguese, which I totally disagree because I believe they are just different languages.
OCid wrote: In fact, there are a lot of people around here that pretend to make our language the same as portuguese I know that Portugal and Galiza have a special connection , but despite the similiarity between the languages , they're different :confused: Why pretend to be part of the portuguese language ??? Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9 Remember just because a good thing comes to an end, doesn't mean that the next one can't be better.-Chris Meech
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Are you OK ?
Yes, and thanks for asking ;P Just trying to get some non war non sport posts going, get the lounge to chill out a bit :cool: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D