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    Nighthowler
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    The Political Potential of Sortition: A study of the random selection of citizens for public office by Oliver Dowlen[^] opinions anyone? This looks like a solution, since the ones who want to be elected are usually corrupt. We could make it the same as jury duty.

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      The Political Potential of Sortition: A study of the random selection of citizens for public office by Oliver Dowlen[^] opinions anyone? This looks like a solution, since the ones who want to be elected are usually corrupt. We could make it the same as jury duty.

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      I've long thought so. But the major problem would be you'd need a really permanent bureaucracy to keep things running; even more so than we currently have.

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        I've long thought so. But the major problem would be you'd need a really permanent bureaucracy to keep things running; even more so than we currently have.

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        GenJerDan wrote:

        But the major problem would be you'd need a really permanent bureaucracy to keep things running; even more so than we currently have.

        Actually that is why the Senate has a rolling election in that 1/3 is always up for election. The founding fathers did not predict that people would live to be 90 sitting on a seat for more years than they were a live at that time. The house was supposed to be the "Mob" rule in that they were supposed to be the non beurocrats, while the Senate was to maintain the bureaucratic order, but cycle them out (eventually).

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          The Political Potential of Sortition: A study of the random selection of citizens for public office by Oliver Dowlen[^] opinions anyone? This looks like a solution, since the ones who want to be elected are usually corrupt. We could make it the same as jury duty.

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          I've never thought of this idea, I guess I'm too cynical at this point to believe that this could be a viable option. Random selection when it comes to lawmakers (or any other positions of significant financial sway) would probably wouldn't be so random, I envision those with the most to gain/lose (corporations) will be 'randomly' assigned to those positions, to solely benefit their bottom line. Regular joes, that are lower on the financial food chain will be just as likely to be bought off then those who are elected in my opinion, especially since the divide between the haves and have nots appears to be widening. It seems like it would take too many people doing the right thing to have a chance at working. People who are not interested in service or are not knowledgeable in the particular office that they are assigned won't be too eager (or capable?) to do the right thing, more so if the required service length is long. I just don't see it at this point.

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            The Political Potential of Sortition: A study of the random selection of citizens for public office by Oliver Dowlen[^] opinions anyone? This looks like a solution, since the ones who want to be elected are usually corrupt. We could make it the same as jury duty.

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            If it gets rid of career politicians, I'm all for it :thumbsup:

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              The Political Potential of Sortition: A study of the random selection of citizens for public office by Oliver Dowlen[^] opinions anyone? This looks like a solution, since the ones who want to be elected are usually corrupt. We could make it the same as jury duty.

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              Sounds a bit like Asimov's "Franchise"[^]. :)


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                The Political Potential of Sortition: A study of the random selection of citizens for public office by Oliver Dowlen[^] opinions anyone? This looks like a solution, since the ones who want to be elected are usually corrupt. We could make it the same as jury duty.

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                So you'll get the insane but not certified people (I know a bunch of them), the drug addictedm the alcoholists, the not-yet-convicted criminals, all the chemtrails followers, all the uncertified retards (many of those due to families trying to keep it low in order not to suffer social bias), every conspiracy nut out there. Then you'll get every racist, homophobe and mysoginist followed by every kind of clandestine-lover, heterophobe (they sadly exist I assure you) and mysandrist. Anarchy is a better solution, the end result is the same it's just the path that is shorter.

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                  Sounds a bit like Asimov's "Franchise"[^]. :)


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                  More like a quote for Arthur C. Clarke: "We want a President who has to be carried kicking and screaming into the White House, but who will then do the best job possible so he gets time off for good behavior."

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                    So you'll get the insane but not certified people (I know a bunch of them), the drug addictedm the alcoholists, the not-yet-convicted criminals, all the chemtrails followers, all the uncertified retards (many of those due to families trying to keep it low in order not to suffer social bias), every conspiracy nut out there. Then you'll get every racist, homophobe and mysoginist followed by every kind of clandestine-lover, heterophobe (they sadly exist I assure you) and mysandrist. Anarchy is a better solution, the end result is the same it's just the path that is shorter.

                    GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                    Would anyone notice the difference? :rolleyes:


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