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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results?
In a voting booth you are anonymous, on a PC you can have an overpowering partner standing over you forcing you to vote in a way you don't like.:mad: :sigh:
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Sincerely, I don't think so... Italian (and Spanish) people are quite renowned for being crafty entrepreneurs - IIRC Columbo was an Italian man on Spanish ships (and loaned gold).
DURA LEX, SED LEX GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Not true. According to IMDB regarding Columbo:
Los Angeles homicide detective Lieutenant Columbo uses his humble ways and ingenuous demeanor to winkle out even the most well-concealed of crimes.
Columbo (TV Series 1971–2003) - IMDb[^] Please refrain from revisionist history :laugh:
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What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results? BTW, this would have made a great poll question this week.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Vote for Pogo; electronic or paper becomes a non-issue.
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Not true. According to IMDB regarding Columbo:
Los Angeles homicide detective Lieutenant Columbo uses his humble ways and ingenuous demeanor to winkle out even the most well-concealed of crimes.
Columbo (TV Series 1971–2003) - IMDb[^] Please refrain from revisionist history :laugh:
And drove a French car IIRC :D
DURA LEX, SED LEX GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Uncertain source:
To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results? BTW, this would have made a great poll question this week.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Security gets better, but the attack surface gets bigger. With voting on paper, your paper can be swapped out easily by unscrupulous vote counters. With voting on machines, the software could be tampered with, even post compile. I am for online voting if it requires multi-factor authentication, including facial recognition or retina scan, State Id (such as driver's license), social security number, etc. The misconception of online voting is that everyone has to do online. No. To start out, all the normal voting processes, such as paper or voting booths, still exists. However, to register online, you have to go to the DMV with your two forms of Id and register to vote, get facial recognition scanned, or retina scan or something etc. So anyone with a phone/pc with a camera, and a willingness to share their face or retina with the system can vote easily online. They log in. The camera scans both sides of the drivers license. The facial recognition or retinal scanner verifies who they are. Yes, retina scanner might be better cause if your looks have drastically changed (weight loss, beard, whatever) it might not work. But secure? It is pretty difficult to mimic both a valid drivers license, and facial or retina scan. Sure any one person could do it, but to do it in mass enough to affect an election is not likely. While not 100% secure, I would argue it is more secure than a pencil and a paper or a disconnected machine that could be tampered with.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results?
In a voting booth you are anonymous, on a PC you can have an overpowering partner standing over you forcing you to vote in a way you don't like.:mad: :sigh:
How is this different from mail-in voting. With mail-in voting, you can have an overpowering partner standing over you forcing you to vote in a way you don't like. However, with online voting, using video for authenticaion, such as facial recognition and/or retina scanner, you could also require that the voter is alone in a room and require a quick panorama or the room to prove no one is there coerce you. Sure, one could "hack" the panorama but that is a lot harder compared to the options you have for protecting mail-in voting.
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What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results? BTW, this would have made a great poll question this week.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results? BTW, this would have made a great poll question this week.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Disclaimer: I'm brazilian, living in Brazil. I do not think we're anywhere close to being able to implement a solid online voting system. Too much $ involved to be sure of anything. Down here though, we use electronic voting devices on our elections. Our systems is simple, I guess: we go to our designated voting site, present the documents necessary to vote, go in, press some buttons, come out. The election results are tallied rather quickly too. I'm not entirely sure how safe that system is, but having literally million different machines is sort of a deterrent; I think you'd have to hack many of them, or have some sort of access to the tallying process or whatever, in order to sway votes any which way. In any case, I strongly dislike politics, so this is not a topic that generally interests me - even though I know how important it is.
