Trump Wins: Lets Roll up our sleeves, because All Improvements start with us!
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Unfortunately, that's exactly the kind of speech that ISIS leaders make to their people. USA : ISIS -- peas in a pod. Live and let live, for f***'s sake. If your way is the only way, it's the wrong way. Oh, and don't take it personally when people bitch about things. That's what people do.
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You are, as always, full of shit.
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You are, as always, full of shit.
And, as always, you're a delightful little cherub.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I was a Trumper from day 1. I am a white male who grew up on the free lunch program just outside of detroit, where I was born. I graduated in 1992 after 7 years of college, where I had to work full-time to put myself through school (with some financial AID, tons of loans, and pell grants too). My daughters Hattian (for context) friend of many years exclaimed that if it were not for my WHITE PRIVILEGE, I would not have done so well. I worked 3 jobs for most of my adult life, and started my own business, on the side, over 10 years, while working full-time elsewhere. I am DEEPLY offended by these comments, and she throws them out like it is somehow true. There are HAVES and HAVE NOTS in this country to be sure. Those who HAVE WORKED harder than their peers Those who HAVE EDUCATED themselves Those who HAVE EARNED their income and those who HAVE NOT... But I don't hate this young lady. I think of her as a daughter, in fact. A misguided one to be sure. She never suffered slavery here, because she is a first generation American. I say ALL of this to set the following stage... Enough Divisive Language. I want EVERYONE in America to do well. Honestly! I want EVERYONE who is willing to work, to have that opportunity. I am not against immigrants, I am against Free Loaders, and Illegal Immigration. I am against lawlessness. We have the best police in the world. Honestly. Get pulled over in Mexico and have them put you in the back of a police car. Your odds of disappearing are now REAL! I am against a media that constantly allows people to MISSTATE the truth, and fails to help set the record straight. (Trump NEVER Intended that ALL MEXICANS are rapists, etc. He was speaking about Illegals that were coming here, and the people the Mexican Government was glad to see go. But the media glosses over this, and allows a false narrative to live to attack and divide us). Trump is INELEGANT, IMPREFECT and quite Human. So, while I want to scream "we saved our country from some horrible ideas"... I also want to say: Now is the time we must ALL roll up our sleeves and help. We as consumers must CALL OUT the media for being divisive We must call out others for being divisive We must EXPECT that laws should either be changed or enforced, but never ignored! We must come together... Because We The People are all this republic has. I love All Americans. Even the ones with differing political views. I hate only horrible people. Lets treat our government as OLD CODE that need
TMSB:DR* *Too many shouty bits: didn't read.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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They ardently believe in their way of life, the same as anyone who is even mildly fanatical. Fanaticism of any kind is a bad thing, because one of its main effects is to give people the errant belief that they are better than people who don't share their beliefs -- and saying "Our fanatics are better than Your fanatics!" is just plain dumb. I have yet to see a belief system that convinces me that it is what we were put on this Earth for -- and capitalism comes Incredibly low on the score chart. People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money? I don't think so.
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Your point of fact has nothing to do with anything that Kirk said. Are you doing okay? Have you been hit in the head lately or...?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
That's an interesting take, but I'd have to disagree. Hillary is honorless, hateful, and criminal. You can't remove something that's not there. That is precisely the reason that so many people voted against her.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Kaladin wrote:
Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language
You're giving Liberals a free pass on this same behavior? Do the phrases "misogynistic", "xenophobic", "homophobic", "basket full of deplorables", "...want old people to eat cat food so they can buy their medicines", "...throw old people off the cliff" ring any bells? Oh no, that's not shaming or ad hominem at all. :doh:
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
I don't mean honor as acting justly but as...I guess esteem/respect in the eyes of everyone else? The opposite of being mocked. Very different from our Western morality of innocence and guilt. Trump's rhetoric of deriding is opponents is an attempt to shame them thereby gaining more honor for himself
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That's an interesting take, but I'd have to disagree. Hillary is honorless, hateful, and criminal. You can't remove something that's not there. That is precisely the reason that so many people voted against her.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Kaladin wrote:
they .... use different means of reclaiming that honor
True. ISIS uses sharpened steel to remove people they don't want. Trump uses only a finger.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Honor in the sense I'm talking about isn't a personal moral state but something that is perceived by everyone else. And regardless of whether of your or my opinions of her, there are many people that perceive her as good and just and whatnot.
And regardless of your or my opinion of Trump, comparing the position given by one of his supporters to ISIS is meant to be demeaning. Trying to mince words in order to back up that comparison is not the right thing to do, which is very much what this feels like.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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I don't mean honor as acting justly but as...I guess esteem/respect in the eyes of everyone else? The opposite of being mocked. Very different from our Western morality of innocence and guilt. Trump's rhetoric of deriding is opponents is an attempt to shame them thereby gaining more honor for himself
Probably. But then, Ms. Clinton did the same, and in my opinion, perhaps because I loath her more than Trump, she did so with the type of labeling and name-calling that demonized his character. The media took up the narrative and spread it around so that everyone demonized him, to the point where we now have Democrats and immigrants freaking out, irrationally thinking he's going to either destroy America or deport all immigrants, or both. With the exception of the few conservative media outlets, the media did not take up his derisive comments against Hillary or others, expect as "proof" of Hillary's narrative.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Life's funny, that way. Actually, it's not funny; it's just human. Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems". So, because I don't wish to appear to be too inhuman, I'm laying the blame for all my problems at your feet!
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Do they? You may be right, but I can't think of any straightforward examples of which troubles they blame on the poor. Help me out with a few.
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