Why Windows 10?
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A perfectly valid view but not a reason to make life harder for myself with no actual reward for the effort by switching to Windows 10.
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I get what you're saying, life is a balance. I'd wager though that life doesn't always become easier by refusing to change. I think lack of change puts you behind the times and means you live in a world that no longer exists. That's not making life easier IMO. I get it though, C is still my favorite programming language. I was and still am slow to say .NET is better than sliced bread. And yet, I'm about to make a ASP.NET Core website for work.
Jeremy Falcon
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It works the same as Win7
Are you sure you aren't running a version of Windows 7 that a "friend" has fixed to say it is "Windows 10"?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
There's always Linux... come on, you know you wanna. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
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I've got three machines now running 10 and it seems as good or better than 7. (which I thought was the pinnacle) Here are my reasons for upgrading: 0: Taskbar extends to all monitors 1: It has a working (and quite nice) weather app. I really liked the weather app gadget for 7, but sadly it just quit working...strangely enough, at different times on different machines. 2: Friends, family, and most importantly clients are now using it and expect me to know my way around it. 3: It was free on 2 out of the 3 computers I have it on. (one came with 10 home and was upgraded to pro, the other two were clean installs using Win7 keys. 4: After almost a year on 10, I can honestly say I like it better than 7...just my opinion.
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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7). I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true. These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7. Anyone? ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable! ...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Because I like it better. I can see you are going to deny whatever argument I put forward, so I will stop at that.
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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7). I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true. These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7. Anyone? ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable! ...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable!
Sorry, but that just is not true. I have been running Windows 10 for months and have yet to see a crash, or any other major problem that could be caused by Windows. Windows 7 was much the same but 10 has certainly been no worse. It does everything I need so I am more than happy with it.
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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7). I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true. These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7. Anyone? ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable! ...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
If you deal with clients who run Windows, they will be running W10 sooner or later. New computers will all be W10 one of these days. You will also need W10 to test your code and/or provide tech support for it. Since the customer is always right, you should be a W10 expert. If you install it on old hardware, it may have stability problems (drivers). I run it in virtual machines. Run what you want to run for you own work, but, also run what you need to run to stay current. If you like what you have.... We still have XP machines in use (no, they don't go on the network). Personally, I liked W2K.
Lou Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous
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Because if you don't embrace change you'll end up like the COBOL programmers of today. I used to work with a COBOL programmer who couldn't get a job at times, so he delivered pizza. All because he failed to embrace change. You wanna be like the guys still stuck on XP? Sure, don't always change just because... I get that. But don't be so afraid of it you never do. And I say this as a person who can't stand the way Win 10 handles updates, seems every new thing MS implements it does so poorly until a few versions go by. So I'm not biased for Win 10, but living on Win 7 for the rest of your life isn't a solution either.
Jeremy Falcon
Real as always, Jeremy :-D.
Software Zen:
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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7). I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true. These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7. Anyone? ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable! ...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
<GrumpyOldFartView>I have developed on and for every version of Windows since 3.1. Each time a new version came out, there has always been a group that claimed the new version was so horrible that they refused to use or develop for it. This attitude is contra-survival in a professional sense. Your refusal to adapt will simply leave you behind. The world and more importantly your customers will upgrade, with or without you. If your products do not work in the new environment, they will find a provider whose products do. This is natural selection in the business world, or what's known in party conversations as "tough luck".</GrumpyOldFartView>Software Zen:
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It works the same as Win7
Are you sure you aren't running a version of Windows 7 that a "friend" has fixed to say it is "Windows 10"?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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There's always Linux... come on, you know you wanna. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's always Linux.
I tried that path. Huge mistake. It's still a lousy OS when it comes to user friendliness. Much worse than Windows.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Perhaps but they could just as easily keep supporting Windows 7, probably with a lot less effort. Obviously it is "newer" but that doesn't necessarily mean "better" - in this case it certainly doesn't!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
Perhaps but they could just as easily keep supporting Windows 7, probably with a lot less effort.
Not sure how supporting two different code streams is "a lot less effort" than supporting one.
Forogar wrote:
Obviously it is "newer" but that doesn't necessarily mean "better"
I wasn't trying to make that argument.
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Because if you don't embrace change you'll end up like the COBOL programmers of today. I used to work with a COBOL programmer who couldn't get a job at times, so he delivered pizza. All because he failed to embrace change. You wanna be like the guys still stuck on XP? Sure, don't always change just because... I get that. But don't be so afraid of it you never do. And I say this as a person who can't stand the way Win 10 handles updates, seems every new thing MS implements it does so poorly until a few versions go by. So I'm not biased for Win 10, but living on Win 7 for the rest of your life isn't a solution either.
Jeremy Falcon
Knowing COBOL vs C++ has no comparison with using windows 7 or 10. Its a tool, nothing more, and is little different to windows 7, which itself is little different to XP.
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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7). I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true. These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7. Anyone? ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable! ...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I too have been using Windows 10 since pre-release days on several machines. I have found it stable and reliable and as good if not better than windows 7. The one thing I like about Win 10 over Win 7 is that Win10 has VM tech (Hyper-V) built into it, Win7 has none. And it works really well. One drawback that Hyper-V has is it doesn't connect to usb devices so the VM's won't see them. You have to use third-party software to enable that. I also find the settings panels in Win10 much butter and easier to traverse than the control panel in Win 7, although the control panel is still there. But more and more of it is moving to the settings paradigm with each update.
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I do not have Win 10, and do not want Win 10, but there is one and only one reason why I will (eventually) upgrade to Win 10: As a life-long gamer, the day will come when I will want DirectX 12. edited to add: Unless Vulkan significantly increases its capabilities in the short-term.
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Because I like it better. I can see you are going to deny whatever argument I put forward, so I will stop at that.
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If you deal with clients who run Windows, they will be running W10 sooner or later. New computers will all be W10 one of these days. You will also need W10 to test your code and/or provide tech support for it. Since the customer is always right, you should be a W10 expert. If you install it on old hardware, it may have stability problems (drivers). I run it in virtual machines. Run what you want to run for you own work, but, also run what you need to run to stay current. If you like what you have.... We still have XP machines in use (no, they don't go on the network). Personally, I liked W2K.
Lou Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous
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the customer is always right
This is an oft quoted policy for many organisations. That doesn't make it correct. However, I will be going to WinX soon (at work) for that very reason. I also will start with running it in a VM.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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<GrumpyOldFartView>I have developed on and for every version of Windows since 3.1. Each time a new version came out, there has always been a group that claimed the new version was so horrible that they refused to use or develop for it. This attitude is contra-survival in a professional sense. Your refusal to adapt will simply leave you behind. The world and more importantly your customers will upgrade, with or without you. If your products do not work in the new environment, they will find a provider whose products do. This is natural selection in the business world, or what's known in party conversations as "tough luck".</GrumpyOldFartView>Software Zen:
delete this;I realise I am going to have to go to it eventually. I have changed to each successive version starting at DOS 2.20 and only skipping over Windows ME after a quick test. I still run a Vista machine, XP and W2K file servers at home. What I was looking for was a "good" reason, not a "forced by circumstances" reason.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote:
Perhaps but they could just as easily keep supporting Windows 7, probably with a lot less effort.
Not sure how supporting two different code streams is "a lot less effort" than supporting one.
Forogar wrote:
Obviously it is "newer" but that doesn't necessarily mean "better"
I wasn't trying to make that argument.
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Not sure how supporting two different code streams is "a lot less effort" than supporting one.
Simple. Don't support two. Drop WInX altogether and just fix Win7 with all the latest improvements.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Not sure how supporting two different code streams is "a lot less effort" than supporting one.
Simple. Don't support two. Drop WInX altogether and just fix Win7 with all the latest improvements.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
Simple. Don't support two. Drop WInX altogether and just fix Win7 with all the latest improvements.
Ok, you go ahead and try to convince Microsoft it needs to do that. Jeez, I'm honestly trying to figure things out and suggest rational solutions that can work for people and this is the sort of childish discussion I get dragged into. Are you a Slashdot reject?
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Forogar wrote:
Simple. Don't support two. Drop WInX altogether and just fix Win7 with all the latest improvements.
Ok, you go ahead and try to convince Microsoft it needs to do that. Jeez, I'm honestly trying to figure things out and suggest rational solutions that can work for people and this is the sort of childish discussion I get dragged into. Are you a Slashdot reject?
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Are you a Slashdot reject?
I have never been rejected by Slashdot... whatever that is! :doh: This is meant to be a reasoned discussion which does not necessarily have to have any resemblance to actual reality. If you consider it a "childish discussion" and don't wish to take part then please feel free to not take any further part. I will not be offended in any way if you do not respond to my, or anyone else's, posts. ;)
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
