Why Windows 10?
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You know that that is really no comparison, don't you?
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You're right, of course. I should have just gone down for my breakfast when She shouted me.
Jeeze. If I spent time chatting after having been called, my breakfast would be in the cat.
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Jeeze. If I spent time chatting after having been called, my breakfast would be in the cat.
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<GrumpyOldFartView>I have developed on and for every version of Windows since 3.1. Each time a new version came out, there has always been a group that claimed the new version was so horrible that they refused to use or develop for it. This attitude is contra-survival in a professional sense. Your refusal to adapt will simply leave you behind. The world and more importantly your customers will upgrade, with or without you. If your products do not work in the new environment, they will find a provider whose products do. This is natural selection in the business world, or what's known in party conversations as "tough luck".</GrumpyOldFartView>Software Zen:
delete this;Somehow, I get the feeling that the "WinX suxx / Win7 rools" group are the same people who, a few years back, were proclaiming that Windows XP was the best version ever produced, and they'd never be moving to Vista / 7 because it was so terrible. :doh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Vulkan capabilities are more or less the same as DirectX 12. Game developers decided to stick with DirectX because of historical reasons and fear.
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Are you a Slashdot reject?
I have never been rejected by Slashdot... whatever that is! :doh: This is meant to be a reasoned discussion which does not necessarily have to have any resemblance to actual reality. If you consider it a "childish discussion" and don't wish to take part then please feel free to not take any further part. I will not be offended in any way if you do not respond to my, or anyone else's, posts. ;)
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HyperV's not much good, compared to third-party apps (VMWare, anyone?). What I did like was multiple desktop support (finally! After Linux had had it for years!), but I stopped using it because it didn't even come close to the usefulness of DexPot. IMO, they should focus their OS development on developing and fixing the OS, rather than ignore OS bugs and create buggy, inferior versions of apps that third parties do better. If asked if I would prefer reliable hardware drivers or have a naff media player/VM client/multi-desktop app baked in, I know what my answer would be.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
HyperV's not much good, compared to third-party apps (VMWare, anyone?).
I use both every day and except for USB support I see little difference between the two.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
multiple desktop support
Windows has had this capability (and I've used it) since Windows NT 3.51 days.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
reliable hardware drivers
Usually the fault of whatever 3rd party hardware vendor you're using.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
HyperV's not much good, compared to third-party apps (VMWare, anyone?).
I use both every day and except for USB support I see little difference between the two.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
multiple desktop support
Windows has had this capability (and I've used it) since Windows NT 3.51 days.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
reliable hardware drivers
Usually the fault of whatever 3rd party hardware vendor you're using.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzI use both every day and except for USB support I see little difference between the two.
Well, for one thing, there's no USB support (in case you hadn't noticed).
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzWindows has had this capability (and I've used it) since Windows NT 3.51 days.
Not sure about that, but who works on a server, anyway?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzUsually the fault of whatever 3rd party hardware vendor you're using.
... Who make their drivers according to the information provided to them by ms. It's easy to blame a guy for using the wrong sized drill bit when you don't tell him what size hole you want -- have you ever tried contacting ms because you need information on how to align with their products?
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOzI use both every day and except for USB support I see little difference between the two.
Well, for one thing, there's no USB support (in case you hadn't noticed).
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzWindows has had this capability (and I've used it) since Windows NT 3.51 days.
Not sure about that, but who works on a server, anyway?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzUsually the fault of whatever 3rd party hardware vendor you're using.
... Who make their drivers according to the information provided to them by ms. It's easy to blame a guy for using the wrong sized drill bit when you don't tell him what size hole you want -- have you ever tried contacting ms because you need information on how to align with their products?
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
there's no USB support (in case you hadn't noticed).
I'm not sure if your statement is sarcasm or not, but in case YOU didn't notice I already said that. BTW, VMWare doesn't come with USB support unless you also install the VMWare tools.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
works on a server
NT 3.51 was also a workstation OS. See Windows NT 4.0 - Wikipedia[^] for multi-desktop support.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Who make their drivers according to the information provided to them by ms.
Yes, and as we all know driver writers never write bugs into their software and always follow MS directives to the "T". :rolleyes: And yah I know it's difficult to get info out of MS. Been there done that (not with drivers tho). But as someone who often has to write software that interfaces with drivers and get information from them about the hardware they supposedly support, I know most drivers I have encountered have plenty of problems and often cause issues not only for the OS but for their own hardware.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
there's no USB support (in case you hadn't noticed).
I'm not sure if your statement is sarcasm or not, but in case YOU didn't notice I already said that. BTW, VMWare doesn't come with USB support unless you also install the VMWare tools.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
works on a server
NT 3.51 was also a workstation OS. See Windows NT 4.0 - Wikipedia[^] for multi-desktop support.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Who make their drivers according to the information provided to them by ms.
Yes, and as we all know driver writers never write bugs into their software and always follow MS directives to the "T". :rolleyes: And yah I know it's difficult to get info out of MS. Been there done that (not with drivers tho). But as someone who often has to write software that interfaces with drivers and get information from them about the hardware they supposedly support, I know most drivers I have encountered have plenty of problems and often cause issues not only for the OS but for their own hardware.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
I'm not sure if your statement is sarcasm or not
Jeeze, if you can't tell a custard pie when it hits you in the face, stay away from Laurel & Hardy movies.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
See Windows NT 4.0 - Wikipedia[^] for multi-desktop support.
So it didn't come with multi-desktop support unless you installed VMWare tools Windows NT 4.0 Workstation and Server Resource Kit*? Do as you say, not as you do?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
I know most drivers I have encountered have plenty of problems and often cause issues not only for the OS but for their own hardware
I wouldn't say most, but many, if you stay at the cheap end of the market. Expensive laser printers, for example, are another matter -- as are keyboards that suddenly stop working, because the makers were stupid enough to rely on windows drivers working from one version to the next. Besides, I've seen less problems with the drivers themselves, and a lot more with the bloated cr@p that equipment manufacturers install alongside them as "helpers" (not quite the word I'd use for them). * Custard-pie time again
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
I'm not sure if your statement is sarcasm or not
Jeeze, if you can't tell a custard pie when it hits you in the face, stay away from Laurel & Hardy movies.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
See Windows NT 4.0 - Wikipedia[^] for multi-desktop support.
So it didn't come with multi-desktop support unless you installed VMWare tools Windows NT 4.0 Workstation and Server Resource Kit*? Do as you say, not as you do?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
I know most drivers I have encountered have plenty of problems and often cause issues not only for the OS but for their own hardware
I wouldn't say most, but many, if you stay at the cheap end of the market. Expensive laser printers, for example, are another matter -- as are keyboards that suddenly stop working, because the makers were stupid enough to rely on windows drivers working from one version to the next. Besides, I've seen less problems with the drivers themselves, and a lot more with the bloated cr@p that equipment manufacturers install alongside them as "helpers" (not quite the word I'd use for them). * Custard-pie time again
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Jeeze
Sheesh yourself dude. Mine was just as sarcastic.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
come with multi-desktop support
I said it had the capability. And no, you didn't have to install the resource kit. Just use the one exe.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
bloated cr@p that equipment manufacturers install alongside
Yep. I have taken to uninstalling all of that for a better OOBE.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Jeeze
Sheesh yourself dude. Mine was just as sarcastic.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
come with multi-desktop support
I said it had the capability. And no, you didn't have to install the resource kit. Just use the one exe.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
bloated cr@p that equipment manufacturers install alongside
Yep. I have taken to uninstalling all of that for a better OOBE.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzyou didn't have to install the resource kit
What, are you saying that wikipedia got something wrong? Sorry, but you're pushing the boundaries of credibility just a little too far outward, now.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOzyou didn't have to install the resource kit
What, are you saying that wikipedia got something wrong? Sorry, but you're pushing the boundaries of credibility just a little too far outward, now.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
What, are you saying that wikipedia got something wrong?
No. Just that you didn't understand.
Quote frok Wikipedia:
which contained a large number of tools and utilities, such as desktops.exe
Yah, you can just copy out one tool or utility not the entire kit.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7). I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true. These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7. Anyone? ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable! ...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
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I call Windows10 the "Adware" version of Windows. I don't care for the GUI, myself and they have yet to show me a single feature worth upgrading for. Wait ... I know, the Services applet remembers it's window dimensions and position between sessions - Time to upgrade! ;-) I played with it on-and-off for awhile. Even upgraded my development box to it just to see if I could live with it. I found it irritating to use so I re-imaged back to 7. All the machines on my network are on 7 ... I locked 10 out. The only one that's different is a little box the wife has and it's running 8.1. I keep a VM loaded with it to tinker with from time-to-time and test software I deliver in case something breaks but that's it.
