Metaprogramming as opposed to Agile
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No, not this Metaprogramming[^] I'm referring to this metaprogramming[^] Be sure to read the comments as well. Not sure what I wanted to convey with this, but he has a point, successful programs products usually starts small with a visionary in the lead, rather than run by a management team.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Very, very interisting ... gives me hope for our little 5 person startup (2 people responsible for the product) - many people told us it would be impossible.
Almost anything is possible if the scope doesn't keep changing, you know what you want and you're competent enough.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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An interesting if nostalgic article. The comments are very revealing including those about Dave Cutler Dave Cutler - Wikipedia[^] . I found the link to the history of Xenix Xenix - Wikipedia[^] fascinating. The author could have mentioned Wayne Ratliff - Wikipedia[^] of dBase fame and Briklin and Frankston who created VisiCalc VisiCalc - Wikipedia[^] . While I do agree with Marc Clifton's comments this article reminds us of a time where great steps forward were achieved by single individuals with a vision. Narcissists maybe but clever and motivated also. Ever since then I have had great respect for the adage "If it takes 1 programmer 1 year it will take 100 programmers 100 years".
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
pwasser wrote:
"If it takes 1 programmer 1 year it will take 100 programmers 100 years".
I've heard the version with nine women and a baby.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Very few coders would I give the title "programmer". Of those, even fewer, "software engineer" Of those, even fewer, "metaprogrammer" That said, the kind of successful programs that he's talking about in the article (Turbo Pascal, CP/M, QDOS, WordStar, MSWord, Lotus123) well, most of those are archaic, and even the origins of MSWord and Lotus are archaic in their 1.0 versions. It was also a very different time. Come on, Turbo Pascal had a text-based IDE with special text characters to draw the frames. Nowadays, a successful product requires a small village with several visionaries -- back-end, front-end, security, customer support, social media marketing, cross-platform / mobile, etc. It's not the same game anymore. [edit]Oh, and a lot of those characters he mentions as metaprogrammers are also narcissistic egomaniacs. ;) [/edit] Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Oh, and a lot of those characters he mentions as metaprogrammers are also narcissistic egomaniacs
You can still get a long way being a narcissistic egomaniac. Just think Apple. :)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Very few coders would I give the title "programmer". Of those, even fewer, "software engineer" Of those, even fewer, "metaprogrammer" That said, the kind of successful programs that he's talking about in the article (Turbo Pascal, CP/M, QDOS, WordStar, MSWord, Lotus123) well, most of those are archaic, and even the origins of MSWord and Lotus are archaic in their 1.0 versions. It was also a very different time. Come on, Turbo Pascal had a text-based IDE with special text characters to draw the frames. Nowadays, a successful product requires a small village with several visionaries -- back-end, front-end, security, customer support, social media marketing, cross-platform / mobile, etc. It's not the same game anymore. [edit]Oh, and a lot of those characters he mentions as metaprogrammers are also narcissistic egomaniacs. ;) [/edit] Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
a lot of those characters he mentions as metaprogrammers are also narcissistic egomaniacs.
Oh, I'm in the list. Cool.:cool:
This space for rent
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Marc Clifton wrote:
a lot of those characters he mentions as metaprogrammers are also narcissistic egomaniacs.
Oh, I'm in the list. Cool.:cool:
This space for rent
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Oh, I'm in the list. Cool
But I'm higher on it, of course.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Over the history of personal computing, it seems that the best software was written by a team of five or fewer programmers. CP/M, the first PC operating system was built by one guy, Gary Kildall, though he got parts from others such as Gordon Eubanks. MSDOS originated in QDOS, again written by one person, Tim Paterson.
In history your house had probably been built by your granddad on his own. I fail to see the point.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I fail to see the point.
What if it now took a team of 20 to build the house and it never gets finished?
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Oh, I'm in the list. Cool
But I'm higher on it, of course.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
You can be high on what you want, we don't judge.
CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. I'm a puny punmaker.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I fail to see the point.
What if it now took a team of 20 to build the house and it never gets finished?
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
But if it *does* get finished it's going to be an awesome house, unlike your ancestor's rickety old shack.
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An interesting if nostalgic article. The comments are very revealing including those about Dave Cutler Dave Cutler - Wikipedia[^] . I found the link to the history of Xenix Xenix - Wikipedia[^] fascinating. The author could have mentioned Wayne Ratliff - Wikipedia[^] of dBase fame and Briklin and Frankston who created VisiCalc VisiCalc - Wikipedia[^] . While I do agree with Marc Clifton's comments this article reminds us of a time where great steps forward were achieved by single individuals with a vision. Narcissists maybe but clever and motivated also. Ever since then I have had great respect for the adage "If it takes 1 programmer 1 year it will take 100 programmers 100 years".
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
pwasser wrote:
"If it takes 1 programmer 1 year it will take 100 programmers 100 years"
And eighty programmers with twenty managers 1,000 years.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!